"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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DoItAgain

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I can hear some people already scuffing at the plentyoffish topic, but some of us don't live in big cities where HBs are all over the place.

Simple question...for those of you who use POF, how many have you have had sex with a 6 or better from the site...how many miles did you have to travel to meet her...and how many hangouts/dates did it take?

Or even better, how many met a FB or LTR through POF?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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This year met 3.

Boned one of them on the second date.

3 miles traveled.
 

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I met maybe 8 chicks... Got maybe 15 numbers.... Fclosed 4
 

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I'm talking to 4 currently. I'm not sure how to escalate the meet. The UGs and chubbies will pretty much meet right away...but with the 6 pluses, it seems they have no problem giving their number or facebook, but when it comes to meeting, they want to take their time. At the same time, though, if you go too slow, give her too much space, won't she forget about you?
 

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Anyone else feel like a douche when you repost your own work?

Here, check this out, it's about getting that elusive face to face, not foolproof but it won't do you any harm either.

I'll share what has worked for me, but just a quick word about transitioning from IM to swapping numbers and texting/talking. I emphasize this is just my personal experience and some generalisations are necessary. Texting is the default method of communicating up to the first date, this just seems to be what the online dating community has collectively settled upon. You'll get advice to be different, make the call, I can't say whether it really does play to your advantage or not. My experience has been that all the girls, without exception, who wanted to initiate a phone conversation proved to be trouble; punishing company, highly strung, and very hard to shake off. So for that reason, I don't call and I use text to maintain a bit of distance and if she's smart, she'll do the same.

I like to find a way to scope out her schedule before I set something up. Even if she legitimately has something on, it will kill her interest if she's forced to keep turning you down, so make smart suggestions based on what you know she does through the week, play the percentages. Of course, if she drops her original plans or suggests another time, that's brilliant. Try to avoid directly asking about her schedule, you should be able to glean enough detail in the course of regular conversation (sporting commitments, regular movie nights with her girls, work drinks, upcoming vacations).

Be very wary if her schedule is full to bursting, you'll always be chasing. If it takes longer than two weeks between your first IM and a face to face, forget it, it's not likely to happen. Likewise, if you've made two, maybe three smart, well targeted passes at hooking something up, and she hasn't got on board, you have to next her regardless of her sincerity, it's too much work. No fault on her part, the real world just gets in the way sometimes, so be it.

As it turns out, Tuesday to Thursday seems to be the sweet spot.

I know what you're saying about getting grief from girls when you don't follow proper date protocol when 'asking them out'. Big deal, cop some grief, it's the outcome that's important.

This is old news, but don't call it a date, banish that word from your IM vocabulary. "How about you meet me at.....", "Let's hang out next Wednesday" Usually met with a "wow, you sound sure of yourself" or
"confident, aren't you, what makes you sure I want to?". Keep rolling, "I think seven sounds good, don't you", she'll fall into line, "Sure! Can we make it seven thirty though?".

My experience has been that if you get the scheduling right, the venue right, and the language right then you've done as much as you can. It's not a guarantee, but everyone recognises online dating is a numbers game, and this approach has defnitely lifted my numbers.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I thought you guys might appreciate this, hot off the press not more than five minutes ago. Girl requested me, this is our first chat. Me in bold, edited for privacy.

Don't suppose you got to see [comedian] at the [comedy festival] this year? or was it last year? Anyway, he did a whole 90 minute set on being an accountant

Hey! Unfortunately I didn't!! I bet he mentioned how incredibly exciting it is being an accountant and that we're extremely witty and full of personality!!

he had a bit to say about the exorbitant amounts of money and cocaine he had access to!

haha, but it's not the 80's anymore, pity for you

ha ha!! That's funny!!

Major bummer!!!

I guess I'll just have to stick to coca-cola instead!!

you wouldn't remember too much of that decade

Gen-Y, by a hair's breadth I'm guessing?

Nope!! I was born in 82 so I was too young!! I just remember the boofier the hair the better!!

But you're only 4 years older than me!!

got your maths right, yep, definitely an accountant

are you a regular (spectactor) at the [comedy club name removed for privacy]?

and I didn't even meed my calculator!!

that should be "need"!!

lol, nope, but you "meed" a spellchecker

ha ha!! That's right!! Or not try to multi-task!!

I'm in the process of getting ready for basketball...so if I'm a bit delayed in responding...that's why!!

not at all, pretty good by [POF/online dating] standards

Oh really?

basketball eh, you had me thinking for a moment, another tall chick?!

there are hundreds of amazons on here


I just joined this the other day...and I have to say, I'm not super impressed. There so many weirdos on here (except for you of course)!!

Oh really? Nah...I'm average height!!

so what's the most interesting offer you've had online so far?

been propisitioned by a tranny yet?

propositioned*

Well...where shall i start?!

Not yet!!

I've had phone sex offers

I've had meeting up for sex offers

ummmm.....

I think they have been the most interesting!!!

I was thinking...seriously? At least buy me dinner first!!!

ha ha!!

How about you?

I like it, playing the numbers, I'm sure one in a hundred dirty slappers agrees to it

I might have to give it a go myself


Yeah I'm sure they have some luck with some girls on here!!

Definitely give it a go and see what you get!!!

Lol, don't hate, sluts are people too

K, well you'd better start limbering up for b-ball

Ha ha!! You're funny!!

that's right...sluts have feelings too!!!

I'm just getting ready now.

I'll catch you around I dare say

It was lovely chatting to you

and yes, I'm sure I'll catch you around too!!

Have a lovely evening

cheers, remember, fingers back

That's right!! And I need to warm up as I've had a short year break....so I think I'm going to be rather sore tomorrw!!

ciao for now

Adios!!
 
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