"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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POF hitting a new low?

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Robert28 said:
so answer me this.....if this guy is as ugly as you say he is, and this girl is as cute and fit as you claim.....how in the blue he!! did he a) not get flaked on before the date since obviously she saw his pics beforehand. better yet, how id the world did he get her to talk to him in the first place???? b) how did he manage to get a second, third, fourth date, etc??? i went on two dates, i look EXACTLY like my pics. i even sent these girls pics when they would ask me to take one and text it to them. we went on a date and had a great time, they had me all up in their house, weren't in any rush to get the date over with, kept smiling and giving all the right signals, even kissed me at the end. and i dont mean no quick peck either. guess what?? i havent heard from either one since and to be honest, neither one of them were as hot as their pics, both were a bit heavier then they appeared on their pics compared to in person, but both were still doable. c) how is he managing to keep this girl around and not get cheated on like every 5 mins?????
He got lucky simply because he found an idealist. Some people, men or women both, believe in true love, etc... and don't care if you aren't as good looking.

He just got lucky that he found one of the "good" ones who truly believe in the cliches, the adages you hear like "What's inside is more important"

Some people really, really live by that. And it just so happens he found one that's good looking. They are usually intellectuals though. Or hippies. Idealists.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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What has been seen cannot be unseen.

Thanks for nothing Zarky!
 

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oh one more thing I've been seeing everywhere for late 20's to late 30's women:

"in school, currently working on my degree"
 

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http://pofsucks1.wordpress.com/
^^If u wanna laugh or just pass the time at the desk.

A week later....

My POF is still closed, I've been reading that site and I agree with everything although I think they need to also let the other side voice their opinion cause there are guys who are "cleaning up" on POF
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Solomon said:
http://pofsucks1.wordpress.com/
^^If u wanna laugh or just pass the time at the desk.

A week later....

My POF is still closed, I've been reading that site and I agree with everything although I think they need to also let the other side voice their opinion cause there are guys who are "cleaning up" on POF
Sadly and like the author suggested if you want to attract the cross spectrum of ladies at POF you might as well grow some muscles, shave your head, sport some tats and wear thuggish clothingl cause it seems that thats the type of guy most of these low life chicks are attracted to. Probably having a prison record wouldnt hurt either.
 
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See my other thread on the 2 POF dates I went out on this week:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=187330

I took a screen shot of a random sampling of chicks. I wish I could post it because it's hilarious. Not one out of the 4 rows of 9 is anyone I'd want to go out with.

I usually don't like *****ing about the state of the world, but I'm kind of shocked. It seems like the high-point of online dating was from 2003-2008 or so. Then you could find 6s and the occasional 7 amongst all the 3s and 4s. Now it's just a wasteland, I'm really disappointed.
 

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Yeah, POF sucks, I've gotten significantly better luck on match and okcupid. POF is basically the meat market where you're either a prime cut where the fatties chomp at the bit to talk to you or you're tomorrow's dog food where not even the 1's and 2's give you the time of day.
 

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yup, what I figured out long ago is this:

Look at all the photos that she puts up. The worst-looking one is 1-2 points prettier than she really is.

Eg., she has pics that make her look like a 7-8. Then there's the last one that makes her look like a 6. She's actually a 4-5.

Good rough guide.

EDIT:

Another thing, I've noticed that almost every single woman on POF these days says something along the lines of "Don't contact me if you're just looking to hook up." I've never, in almost 10 years of online dating, seen so many chicks say this same thing over and over.

It seems like we're going through a time where the dudes want sex and the women want... a whole lot more. Not a good place to be, I'm really demoralized here. The last bastion of easy sex--the internet--seems to be as much of a wasteland as everywhere else. I hope I'm not reminiscing about the summer of 2008 when I'm 85 years old.
 
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Zarky,

Am finding the same thing. I thought I'd give internet dating a whirl. Many of the profiles go even further, 'Looking to get married' or 'Looking to get married as soon as possible'.

It's unbelievable. You'd think they wouldn't write that, even if it's their intention, because it would scare a guy off. But they're absolutely brazen about it.

Another observation that pisses me off is most of them are doing some 'play' type job that pays f*ck all but which they 'LOVE'. Teaching little kids part time or something. Not that there's any thing wrong with that per se, it's the expectation that they can do these easy jobs into their early thirties, ride the **** carousel and then find some guy like me who had to study hard and work like a dog to become a banker/doctor/lawyer/engineer and is now comfortably pulling in six figures, to bail their sorry asses out and let them live the lifestyle of some finance type without actually having to work like one.

Shameless f*cking *****s.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Yo'Mama said:
Zarky,

Am finding the same thing. I thought I'd give internet dating a whirl. Many of the profiles go even further, 'Looking to get married' or 'Looking to get married as soon as possible'.

It's unbelievable. You'd think they wouldn't write that, even if it's their intention, because it would scare a guy off. But they're absolutely brazen about it.

Another observation that pisses me off is most of them are doing some 'play' type job that pays f*ck all but which they 'LOVE'. Teaching little kids part time or something. Not that there's any thing wrong with that per se, it's the expectation that they can do these easy jobs into their early thirties, ride the **** carousel and then find some guy like me who had to study hard and work like a dog to become a banker/doctor/lawyer/engineer and is now comfortably pulling in six figures, to bail their sorry asses out and let them live the lifestyle of some finance type without actually having to work like one.

Shameless f*cking *****s.

Talk about brazen, one chick from match.com had the nerve to tell me outright that she was looking for a guy to support her three kids and lifestyle because "Im sick of working so hard". And she was only a 7 at best.
 

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Gaspipe,

Simply unbelievable..... and yet, sadly, unsurprising.
 

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Zarky said:
another thing, I've noticed that almost every single woman on POF these days says something along the lines of "Don't contact me if you're just looking to hook up." I've never, in almost 10 years of online dating, seen so many chicks say this same thing over and over
They say that for 2 reasons

1. To weed out all the thristy guys who only hit them up to smash

and

2. Because she got played by a player once to many times. ON POF who just wanted to fucc. A lot of these women have "been around" and so once their 30, reality hits them that they can't carry on with their scandalous slorish ways. Thats why you see women in their 30's all of a sudden talk that "I wanna get married" shyt, when in her 20's she was enjoying the cvck fest Sasha Grey style!
 

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if you want to REALLY have fun, put this profile on there. either two things are going to happen, it will bring out the b!tch in a girl instantly because you hit a nerve(therefore making your job much easier and wont have to waste as much time) or you will have girls qualifying themselves to you left and right. i give you the following....

After being on this site for awhile, I've noticed a few things that stick out to me that women say over and over again on their profiles. I think I know what they're really saying....

- Tired of the bar scene, want to find someone nice (Translation: I'm getting old, all my friends are engaged or married and I have no one to go out to the club with so I better make a "quick change" and turn my life around overnight. I realize I'm past my expiration date and I am tired of being a sl*t, night-in and night-out)

- Love long walks on the beach or through a park (Translation: Actually, no I don't, but it makes me seem like I am a romantic at heart. Buy me stuff)

- Want a nice guy (Translation: Treat me like dirt, all my ex's did and I dated them for years and they got to have sex with me. I do Mexican hat dances all over nice guys)

- NO GAMES (Translation: I'll play games, but you better not.)

- No players! (Translation: I'll be dating 6 men at one time from this site, I better be the only woman you go out with)

- No jerks! (Translation: I only date jerks, it's all I know, it's what I am attracted to, I'll never admit it though because it doesn't sound good)

- If you don't like kids, then don't talk to me (Translation: I made a poor judgment of character with my ex and have a kid(s) by him which I expect you to foot the bill for eventually....IF you make it past the first date, which most guys rarely do because I'm too picky. Ah, who am I kidding...we both know I'll go back to my ex. Just as soon as he dumps "Miss New Boobs" and is ready for us to be a family)

- Tired of having my heart broken (Translation: I do all of the heart breaking but I figured I would make you pitty me, it's what girls do)

- Interested in a man with his feet on the ground and with a steady career (Translation: Cha-CHING!)

- Like guys with tattoos and/or facial hair (Translation: I'm shallow and since tattoos are the latest fad and I can't come up with my own turnons, I'll jump on board since that's what society told me to think is "hot". I don't care if you don't have a job, live with 5 of your ex's, been in jail, look like a sex offender, will beat my brains out, as long as you have tattoos and look like the bum I gave a $1 to the other day, then you're the one for me)

- Not looking for just sex, a hookup, a one night stand (Translation: I had sex with those other 6 guys that I'm currently seeing on the first date but they won't commit. I will continue to keep sleeping with them though, just don't expect me to ever sleep with you.....ever. I'll think you're a perv if you ever try to have sex with me. I have a special place in the friend zone reserved for you.)

- No married men! (Translation: I'm currently "seperated" from my husband who will slash your tires, stalk you, and make your life hell if you try to date me. You better not be married though, even though legally I still am)

- Looking for friends (Translation: You can still buy me dinner, drinks, and spend money on me, I just won't be your girlfriend because I'm still hungup on my ex and need to pass the time until we get back together for the 8th time. So....friends??)
 

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Robert28 said:
if you want to REALLY have fun, put this profile on there. either two things are going to happen, it will bring out the b!tch in a girl instantly because you hit a nerve(therefore making your job much easier and wont have to waste as much time) or you will have girls qualifying themselves to you left and right. i give you the following....

After being on this site for awhile, I've noticed a few things that stick out to me that women say over and over again on their profiles. I think I know what they're really saying....

- Tired of the bar scene, want to find someone nice (Translation: I'm getting old, all my friends are engaged or married and I have no one to go out to the club with so I better make a "quick change" and turn my life around overnight. I realize I'm past my expiration date and I am tired of being a sl*t, night-in and night-out)

- Love long walks on the beach or through a park (Translation: Actually, no I don't, but it makes me seem like I am a romantic at heart. Buy me stuff)

- Want a nice guy (Translation: Treat me like dirt, all my ex's did and I dated them for years and they got to have sex with me. I do Mexican hat dances all over nice guys)

- NO GAMES (Translation: I'll play games, but you better not.)

- No players! (Translation: I'll be dating 6 men at one time from this site, I better be the only woman you go out with)

- No jerks! (Translation: I only date jerks, it's all I know, it's what I am attracted to, I'll never admit it though because it doesn't sound good)

- If you don't like kids, then don't talk to me (Translation: I made a poor judgment of character with my ex and have a kid(s) by him which I expect you to foot the bill for eventually....IF you make it past the first date, which most guys rarely do because I'm too picky. Ah, who am I kidding...we both know I'll go back to my ex. Just as soon as he dumps "Miss New Boobs" and is ready for us to be a family)

- Tired of having my heart broken (Translation: I do all of the heart breaking but I figured I would make you pitty me, it's what girls do)

- Interested in a man with his feet on the ground and with a steady career (Translation: Cha-CHING!)

- Like guys with tattoos and/or facial hair (Translation: I'm shallow and since tattoos are the latest fad and I can't come up with my own turnons, I'll jump on board since that's what society told me to think is "hot". I don't care if you don't have a job, live with 5 of your ex's, been in jail, look like a sex offender, will beat my brains out, as long as you have tattoos and look like the bum I gave a $1 to the other day, then you're the one for me)

- Not looking for just sex, a hookup, a one night stand (Translation: I had sex with those other 6 guys that I'm currently seeing on the first date but they won't commit. I will continue to keep sleeping with them though, just don't expect me to ever sleep with you.....ever. I'll think you're a perv if you ever try to have sex with me. I have a special place in the friend zone reserved for you.)

- No married men! (Translation: I'm currently "seperated" from my husband who will slash your tires, stalk you, and make your life hell if you try to date me. You better not be married though, even though legally I still am)

- Looking for friends (Translation: You can still buy me dinner, drinks, and spend money on me, I just won't be your girlfriend because I'm still hungup on my ex and need to pass the time until we get back together for the 8th time. So....friends??)

:crackup: Hahaha, I'm going to modify this a little and use it on mine. Nice sh1t.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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