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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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POF date, no flake but no commitall from her, why?

gaspipe

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pete101 said:
I only asked her out once though.. but bear in mind this is a POF date and she's new to online dating. I know obviously i'm probably not her top guy on there now which appeared i was a few days ago till i failed one of her tests.

we just swap POF messages. given what i know about her now she'll probably contact me on monday to ask me how my weekend was seeing as i've ignored her last message of 'in that case we better postpone it then as it might clash with my other plans'

i find this insulting tbh. it seems like cos it's the internet you're put into the bottom end of her options and just have to accept it until you've actually met her. it's bad enough meeting girls in real life having to deal with this let alone 1 from the internet.

either way i ignored that last message and maybe my last msg of 'let me know by saturday otherwise i'll have made plans with someone by then :)' may actually work in my favor as she'll be wondering who this someone was im meeting tomorrow. she's added me to favorites probably to check when i log in so i wont log in tomorrow to keep her guessing.

oneitis is a b1tch. im already fed up of her.

btw is not only responding with 1 line answers acting disinterested not enough, do you need to delay how quickly you reply to them? like make her wait longer than normal before you give a reply.. i assume that'll make her frustrated im not replying swiftly as i was?

Dude, like most women on POF, shes just enjoying the ego feeding attention you and probably a multitude of other guys are giving her.

Just drop her and dont contact her again. Seriously. If she does get back to you tell, dont ask, her to go to your place and if she hesitates tell her to fyck off and stop wasting your time.

I did this to one chick on pof and guess what? She was at my place within 45 minutes and the rest is history. I literally told this chick to stop fycking wasting my time. She later confessed that rather than getting offended she got turned on by my harshness.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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her exact message was 'sat i cant do im afraid. if anything changes i'll let u know. i'll have to check about sun. sounds like a really nice plan :)'

me: let me know by sat if u can make sunday otherwise i'll have made plans with someone by then. :)

her: then we better postpone it as it might clash with my other plans.

is that still the same as letting me know? i feel like im kidding myself.. like why you going to let me know, and if you're gona check for sun why cant i knjow by sat?

i know.. low IL. if she doesn't contact me within a week is it worth 1 more go?

i dont know if some attractive girls NEVER contact men cos they have so many options they dont need to?
 

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pete101 said:
i know.. low IL. if she doesn't contact me within a week is it worth 1 more go?
Not really. Do you realistically think her IL will rise over the next week?

i dont know if some attractive girls NEVER contact men cos they have so many options they dont need to?
It's not that they have so many options. Women are picky. And just because a girl has 30 guys who all want to date her doesn't mean she has a taste for any of them. I believe that it's more about quality than quantity...for women.

And I don't think it's her options that are preventing her from dating you...I just think she isn't interested.
 

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Mantis Toboggan said:
Not really. Do you realistically think her IL will rise over the next week?



It's not that they have so many options. Women are picky. And just because a girl has 30 guys who all want to date her doesn't mean she has a taste for any of them. I believe that it's more about quality than quantity...for women.

And I don't think it's her options that are preventing her from dating you...I just think she isn't interested.
I dont really know, i mean it's a POF date, im just an internet stranger.. she has loads of other guys giving her attention on there.. i cant see how me not contacting her is going to necessarily make her contact me.. it's still early days though. maybe she expects me to recontact to test me how interested i am to see im not just jumping from girl to girl.. or is that an advantage?

i dont really know at this point who should be contacting..but she was the last 1 to send a message so technically speaking it should be me.

i'll leave it till the weekend but i think she must have forgotten about me by then if she hasn't contacted..purely cos im just a guy with a photo and some writing? you cant build genuine rapport online. it just feels like some of the real world dating rules dont apply online purely cos they wont recontact you cos you're just a stranger.

I guess if i leave it a week it wont hurt me if i do contact her, will make me look less eager. if she gives me the 'i'll let u know' answer again is it ok for me to write back: 'no. i wont be able to make it in that case. have a great week!'

will that seem bitter? i feel like if she says 'i'll let u know' i just need to say that's not acceptable. or is it more of a action speaks louder than words sorta thing?
 

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Way too mcuh tiem and effort invested in this woman.

Thinka bout it this way. If she's as hot as you claim she's probably got 200 messages from dudes all trying to "get it in". Of those 200 maybe 20 might be lucky to get an extended diaglog beyond the guy sending an e-mail and of thsoe 20 maybe 5 will get dates.

So the girl is hot so freakin what?

THere are going to be plenty of hot women you don't obsess about that you no chance with. For example why aren't you pining over not being able to hook up with Jessica Biel or Scarlett Johannsen. They're equally unavailable as this chick. Howefver, fear no there's probably a good looking girl who is available and interested in you but becuase you get too wound up about some radnom internet floozy you miss your chance.

Stop wasting effort way outside the standard deviations. Focus on the 68% within one standard deviation of where you fall. Stop trying to reach the girls who are more than 2 standard deviations from the norm. The percentages are extremely very low for success. It's the same reason you don't hear of professional lottery players. No one like to bet on long shots for their livelihood so why do it for women...
 

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I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

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