Plenty of acquaintances, no friends

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I am able to make plenty of acquaintances. I am a college student, these are the type of people you talk about before or after, and sometimes during, class. They are the type of people you will greet when you pass them, perhaps even stop to have a brief conversation with. Interestingly, these people generally gravitate toward me, not vice versa. Yet, I have no real friends at college. No one I can hang out with just to kill time. No one I can suddenly call and hang out with when I am bored.

Perhaps I have grown too dejected, but I feel that my problem has deep causes that are fundamental to who I am. Regardless of what I do, I simply cannot break this threshold—a threshold I likely need to cross if I am ever going to become successful with a large number of women. I wear glasses, not the big “nerdy” kind, but glasses nonetheless. I strongly suspect that this a major reason, although certainly not a make or break one, for my woes. I am barely 21 years old and very few people wear glasses at this age. Basically, I suspect that I am automatically pigeon-holed and put in the “ignore pile”, if you will, because people consider me some sort of weird geek (there is some justification to the notion of me being a so-called “nerd”, but people should not be assuming this from the moment they spot me. That absolutely kills me.). Hence, I am contemplating getting contacts.

One problem I have, I don’t know how large it is, perhaps someone who has been in a similar situation, can tell me, is that I was basically a loner during my first two years. People form cliques immediately, I had a chance but blew it and even exacerbated that by wasting my second year. Hence, I am on the outside looking in at the cliques around me.

It seems some of the people I tried to be friendly with, or know my prick roommate, who talks about me to his friends and reveals my social woes, see me as either a freak or an object of pity. Once I was eating in the school cafeteria eating alone and the girl from right across my room—who I tried to befriend (I had little attraction to her) but got absolutely nowhere—and her boyfriend kept looking at me every minute or two. I presume that is either due to pity for me or because they see me as a freak and find me entertaining, in a perverse way. At any rate, I mention this particular event not to whine, but to try to give some insight on how I am perceived by others. What kind of person would evoke such a reaction? If it is pity, they are not willing to try to help me by bringing me into their circle, or even have lunch with them that one day. That strongly illustrates how repugnant I am to some. They don’t want anything to do with me.

I am not “broken” yet. I have eight months remaining here. After that, I go to law school. I am at a point where I have become mostly stoic about my fate during my final months here, although as this thread suggests, I have not totally thrown in the towel yet. I am neither excited or deeply depressed about my state. Still, I was a very effervescent individual—even as recently as three months ago. I would be very excited to wake up each morning. To give you an idea of what kind of outlook I used to have, I would start each morning with the song “Beautiful Day” by U2 blaring from my computer speakers. Now, I feel nowhere near like that. I feel as if I am a robot going through the motions, just trying to get the finish line. There is no excitement in waking up and racing a few day anymore; it feels like a job.

The only quality I have that people automatically assume about me is that I am seen as intelligent, largely due to my classes and perhaps because of my Asian ancestry (being Asian certainly is not a plus in terms of clicking with a population that is 95 or 96% non-Asian). Given this, my value in the eyes of women should increase in coming years as they start to think long-term and seek a guy who has a high-paying job, and I am the type of guy that people assume will be making a lot of money because I am perceived as intelligent. How can I parlay this, in any way, if possible, to increase my chances with women? I do have a solid sense of humor, especially when I am in my effervescent state, but that is something a lot of guys have. The only thing that I have that 99% of guys don’t have is the “he is going to be someone” or “he is going places in life” aura. That is why I seek to capitalize on it because it is the only competitive advantage I have, but, like I stated earlier, it is a double edged sword. It kills me with many 18-22 years women at college.

This post may be a bit incoherent but I am in a state that I have never been in before. Sure, I had bad times before, but I never lost a fundamental zest for life then. I always hoped that things would change for the better in the “near future.” Right now, I am basically just coasting to the finish, with only the slightest expectation of an improvement in the next 8 months. I hope my post gives an indication of the type of problems I face and what kind of individual I am and some who have been in a similar situation can offer advice.

Yes, this post may be pathetic but this my last life line, if you will. If I don’t see any reason to cause me to believe that things can change soon, I will pack it in for the remainder of the year and hope I can do better in law school, where I definitely will not make some of the mistakes I made, mistakes that were so basic but carried great consequences.
 

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Never give up hope and never resign yourself to a miserable life because "things might get better in 8 months."

As far as friends go, have you ever invited your aquaintences to a movie? Ever asked them to meet you for lunch? I'll bet you haven't, because you're afraid you'll get rejected. You should really try to set something up with these guys. Don't rely on people to invite you to places. I made that mistake for too long.
 
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There's a lot there, but what it boils down to is low self-esteem.

In the end if glasses are affecting your confidence, women are going to notice. Either get some glasses that you like, or get contacts.
 

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I can understand where you're coming from, I was the same way in high school. I could literally name maybe 200 people at my school, but only ever talked to maybe 100 of them and never did anything with any of them outside of school. However, I found it *much* easier to just hang out with people at college, because unless you live off campus you're within like 60 seconds of walking away from dozens of people. If you are an acquantence of someone who's like 20 seconds away from you, you could probably just walk into their room and just start talking.

As for the glasses part, I'm fairly confident they don't make any difference. I've had friends who I've known for years suddenly get glasses and I didn't even notice, and it's probably the same for most other people too. It is in some ways an indicator of narcissism that you are concerned about the glasses, because it assumes people are actually paying attention to your looks as much as you are.
 

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Enigma,

I feel your pain man. I graduate in 2 months and let me tell you, my social circles have grown smaller and smaller with each passing month.

Ok, basically its a luck of the draw. Truly. Here freshman go into halls and who you live with is down to luck. So: some of my acquaintances/"friends" landed in a corridor with 12 like-minded, age-matched, often sex-matched people.

Me? 8 exchange students who either couldnt or wouldnt socialise, 3 stoners who, well, got stoned all the time, a few oddballs who stuck together and I had nothing in common with, and 1 cool guy (who then left at the end of the year!) During the year a couple formed, so that was the end of them. I was 3 years younger than anyone else too, which didnt help. There was almost ZERO group cohesion.

From day one cliques are formed, like you say.

People have their "family" and they dont need anyone else, no matter how cool you are. Thats natural.

Im white, outgoing, considered attractive and "cool", so please, dont attribute your situation to external factors AT ALL. Because of this I made so many "friends" in so many groups that I could never REALLY be part of.

You know whats that like, Im sure. You can be with someone or even a few people, and to the world, youre all friends together. But then, they will get a call from their group, and thats it. Its all about groups; we're pack creatures. I just flitted between groups (v.skillfully) but never IN them, just bumping into them or showing up at something, putting on a brave face then pretending I had MY group to go back to. Just like they did.

Except I didnt.

I put so much effort to try and hook up with them, and although it sometimes worked, it was always difficult. They liked me but it was easier and safer to stay "within the family". Or theyd take a request as to what they were doin - like

"hey you out tonight"

and reply

"yeah probably, are you? see you there."

....translated: "we like you, we like seeing you, but this is OUR group, and you have YOURS. See you there in YOUR group."

Everyone NATURALLY ASSUMES that you have your boys, and you cant ever tell the truth cos thatd wreck how they see you. Noone wants a loner friend, you know what Im saying.

Gradually, I couldnt or wouldnt maintain all those semi-friendships because it took huge effort for minimal gain. So they wasted.

Second year, living with my one real good uni friend, a really cool guy who had experienced the same thing. Loads of people expereince it, seriously. Its luck. To the world, him and I were almost like "campus celebrities", attractive, outgoing, social butterflies, like we were freinds with everyone. We were, in a way, but thatws the problem: you cant be freinds with everyone, you need a GROUP to be happy. However small or large, a tight groups of friends is what you need, and what Im still very much lacking.

Third year this guy ran out on me to move elsewhere, meaning I live with non-students, my best mate here is a non-student, and my ONLY connection with uni life is now my new girlfriend. Shes a year behind and a "proper" student with her "clique".

Its hard cos she gives me all of her friends and activities with them, and I give her basically 2 guys, non-students. Its not a problem cos shes fallen for me - loves me -after 2 months but its still been tough. What its allowed me to do is see "inside" a standard uni group, 5 of them living in one house, 5 in another and some others, plus one of their boyfriends and his proper "man group": the group I should have always been in. Everyone single person likes and accepts me. It couldve been so different, and shouldve been.

Im off point and rambling because I feel exactly where you are, but the point is this happens to alot of people, dont let it reflect on you, seriously: its just LUCK.

Last point: very few people stay friends. So called friends vanish. When you see these cliques, remember that they will drift most likely. ONE close friend is worth 10 people just to make up the numbers, which is what it is often - Ive learnt this form my gf's friendship groups. They dont really care about each other at all, except to go out with. THATS why despite a large "typical" group behind her, she will ALWAYS choose me, some guy who almost seems to have no friends.

Hope you got something out of this post, thanks for letting me get it out.
 

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Yup I'm in the same situation. Many acquaintances but not many friends at all. The friends I do have live off-campus. Oh well, I'm sure things will improve at some point.
 

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i could use the help too... but i honestly think a lot of it has to do about attitude, self-confidence, self-esteem and all that. personally i think the reason i drive all my friends away is because i don't give them the chance to get real close as i'm afraid of judgement.

and as the other person said, anyone else on this forum have this problem and get past it?
 

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I was able to get past it, but only because I went from high school to college and as a freshman, we all started off knowing nobody so I took that as my one oppertunity to change, and I made it happen.
 

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Very few people stay friends. So called friends vanish.
I have noticied this, and for this reason I have lost the desire for same sex friendship
 

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I go to a rural community college with less then a 1,000 students there, making friends there is prolly 10X more tough then making a friends at a 4 year university. Here everyone already has their own life and their own group of friends outside or inside of school (more outside of school), has a Boyfriend or Girlfriend, and since there is little to do at the school itself most people go to class and then go home or go to their jobs, there is generally little oppurtunity to meet and talk to new people except in the library and before class. Also the age difference here is huge, there a few students here that were only 14 when they started going to the community college and there are other students who are over 70 years old. I'm not saying you guys are losers, cause I am in the same situation as you all, I'm merely pointing out how it could be worse. But I already know that I just need to get more confident.
 

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Thanks for the advice. Many of your comments were insightful, particularly AMF's post.

I was able to get past it, but only because I went from high school to college and as a freshman, we all started off knowing nobody so I took that as my one oppertunity to change, and I made it happen.
A fresh start seems to be the only way to get out of this mess, especially if you are at a late stage in the game like I am. That is why I am looking forward to graduating in 8 months because I will have a fresh start and, more importantly, the people at law school will be more similar to me and that will give me a better shot. I am not totally quitting right now but I believe it simply will be tough this late in the game to enter any established social group and even if I did it would only be for a few months so I am not too worried about it. What I am trying to do, however, is learn from the mistakes I made during my undergraduate years and try to learn some new social skills so I will be able to hit the ground running at law school. I learned, the hard way, how critical joining social groups early in the game is and I will not wait until my second year or later in law school to change. I will have to be a social butterfly from the first minute of orientation.

This is crazy! Sound just like me!I guess alot of it does have to do with not getting rejected, but I also feel that people just don't really like me.
Have you tried to change and how have those efforts fared? I also believe that some of the problems are inherent to the type of individual I am. How difficult is making friends? It seems at least 95% of people have at least 1 close friend (I have some in my hometown but those were formed when we were very young and anyone can become friends when you are in elementary school). I am able to attract people to me as acquaintances, so that suggests that I have some qualitites, but I have some wall that prevents me from getting further. A large reason for this, in my view, is that cliques formed years ago. If I attracted people toward me during my freshmen year I would have likely made friends then, when everyone was looking for them.
 

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I am not totally quitting right now but I believe it simply will be tough this late in the game to enter any established social group and even if I did it would only be for a few months so I am not too worried about it.
I think the key to getting into a social group is to attempt to befriend one person in it. It's a lot easier to just start hanging out with one person, and then once you spend enough time with one person, he will naturally invite you to go places with the group, and proceeding from there should be easy.

Now the state you are in, you claim to have lots of acquantances so you should have the first step down. To move into any one group, I think the trick is to develop regular contact with one person in the group. Like I said before, just try to pop into that person's room every day or two even if it's just to say hi, talk about casual sh!t. Once contact with you becomes regular and non-special, then you can ask what that person's gonna do that night, say you don't have anything planned and ask to come with him. Rinse and repeat.

Edit: ... sorry I didn't post this earlier, I've been busy and haven't had time to think about it.
 

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so you got lots of aquantinces, me to but i also got freinds. You know, its very easy to turn them in to freinds, just make plans out of college with them, aquantince + hanging out of skool= freind basicly as soon as u start hanging out of college, you will be good freinds with them!
 

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AMF

Hello, Mr AMF, i like your reply because i can really relate to it but from a different point of view.

I was one of those 'cool' guys with my close group of 5 best buddies in college. We hang out and chill together in college or outside of the college. None of use are "social butterflies" but people knew my group is a tight one. We all have different branches of friends(acquiantances), but whatever I do, I will always have that close group to fall back into. We can always call each other up for minor things where you wouldnt do that with normal acquaintances.

At the same time, I know at least two guys who are obviously the celebrities in school. Wherever they go, the library, computer labs, different classes, they will always bum into someone they know. Everyone assumes they will never get lonely since almost half the school knows them. This is exactly the reason why they cant form a proper group. You have to invest time in friendship. I do know that i spend a lot of time with my group. If i were to know half of the school, I wouldnt have the time to get to know any of them well enough to become close friends.
 

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Hello, this is Daral's older brother writing,

You know, I was in a similar boat and I managed to get out of it, at least to some degree. Looking back on it (I graduated about a month ago), I'm really proud of myself.

In the month before my last semester at university my gf of 11 months/best friend dumped me. We did so much together and she was the person I trusted most in the world, but the problem was that she was also my crutch. She was my group of friends AND my girlfriend, and that was too much to put onto one girl, no matter how much she loved me.

In any case, that ended. Now I lived with 3 other guys for the last 6 months of university. They were my best friends, but we had drifted apart a lot, especially when I had that girlfriend, and they had their own lives besides. I wasn't home much which meant I basically had no one besides my ever more distant roommates to rely on for friendship. I'm thankful for my roommates' friendship, but it wasn't enough, and they were not my friends outside of a few minutes a day at home. They never went out with me.

Well, it's not exactly true that I had no other friends. I was in the same boat as most of you. Man I knew everybody. People would remark that I seemingly couldn't go down the street without seeing at least 3 people I knew - I went to a very large school, and the number of people I knew was incredible. In fact, I had this one friend who wasn't very social - and I magically knew everybody she ever met in university. She'd say "some guy hit on me the other day" I knew him. She'd find a roommate off the internet, I knew him too.

Sorry, to be inchoate, here's the point. I realized that I needed to make friends. But I narrowed it down, I realized I wanted a friend who was in my major (history) and another friend friend who enjoyed my favorite hobby, music. So I narrowed my list of acquaintances down to two people. My motto is carpe diem, so I seized the day and I'm glad I did.

I realized that building friendship with people means risking rejection and I was terrified!! Honest to God, I hadn't made a serious, sustained effort to befriend a man since 6th grade. Sixth friggin grade!!! No wonder I had so many acquaintances. Well, I took the chances and they paid off. I'd call the one kid and just hang out, or I'd drop by, or ask to see a movie. The other kid we'd talk about stuff since he's a philosopher and I love to philosophize. They were great friends for what they were worth, and I realized that I can make friends if I make the effort. It's so hard for me to make that effort because more than anything else I am terrified of seeming desperate or needy or unloved or demanding. But I realized that if you want the love you need in this world - be it from your parents, friends, acquaintances, or women - sometimes you have to ask. And some people are going to say no and that will hurt.

Moral of the story: ask people to hang out with you, to hear your problems, to help solve them, to grab a beer, to see a flick, to play a sport with you. The rewards outweigh the risks.

It's funny how often it takes the same confidence to ask a woman for her number as it does to ask a fellow man for his friendship. It's a bit scary how similar the two are, and how difficult even the latter can be. Best of luck to all,

Izza
 

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Really feel for you mate, it must be a tough position to be in.

The good news is, as a lot of people here have already shown by their experiences, it's not permenant. You can change it.

First off you could think about it in this way. Some people, you know the type, they natuarally go in a place and 10 mins later they are being invited back to peoples houses and going on holiday with them etc.

Now most people are not like that, but have learned at an unconscious level how to make freinds. You the type of guy who has to learn how to make friends consciously, that all, it's not that you are a defective person that no one wants to know.

Treat it as merely a 'skills' issue rather than a 'you' issue, this will help you mentally, and is true in anycase.

Do something where there are like minded people. The easiest way to make friends is to do something interactive with people who have a common interest.

Get reading. Buy yourself a copy of 'How to have confidence and power in dealing with people' by Les Giblin. The classic How to win friends and influence people is good too. Dare to Connect by Susan Jeffers is an excellent book.

You could do a course at your local college on 'listening skills', or even counselling, you learn how to build rapport with people in a safe environment and get feedback.

I used to be a bit that way, half the battle is to take a chance on people, usually there's an underlying fear that you may get rejected if you say to someone do they fancy a beer or go to a concert or something. Take a few risks and you will be suprised.

You may get a few knockback, but usually the reason isn't YOU it's just they have other priorities.

But get reading :woo:
 

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Just be like... hey... we should party it up some time... whats your number?
 
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