"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Trace me down and pour cold water on me if you think I am wrong, but I feel older women.. (26 and above) are a little more logical, sound and grounded than the younger clueless cats. My question is where do you find these women..? what does a 28 year old like me do to find women who are atleast 27.. cuz dating 21's and 22's make me feel like a cradle snatcher anyway.

so where do i look?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Everywhere, women are all over the place.
 

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Maybe the shortage is due to the fact that women of your age are in the
prime ' time zone' of early marriage and commited relationships. Perhaps all the fine ones have found a good guy..
However ,try these spots -
Women's clothing stores at the mall.. Shoe stores, perfume and cosmetic counters in your local dept stores.
Ballroom dance studios, latin dance classes - I swear, these classes are FULL of single women of all ages..
 

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heres a full proof method:

stick a BIG carrot up your *ss, then go to the emergency room to have to removed. do this once a week. you'll meet tons of nurses.


BUT, if you want to do things the easy way, you could:

- volunteering: chic central. volunteer at a hospital, youll come across TONS of nurses - and they are all man starved because there aren't many men in their profession. you'll find TONS of them who don't socialize enough and as a result don't have much access to men.

- the gym

- your local coffee joint / book store

- online

- college 'recreational' courses - usually local colleges have courses on sh*t like cooking, wine tasting, etc.

- yoga classes: although i haven't done this myself, 50% of the chics i know over 27 and who dont have a man are doing yoga classes. i refuse to do this because im worried im going to be in one of those crazy pretzel positions, which will put pressure on my abdominal muscles and i'll let rip a gigantic fart.

- lastly, basically everywhere else in life - gas station, mall, grocery store, etc.

the thing that makes it hard is that once you get in to your late 20s your access to 'new' people dries up. its not like highschool and university where there are thousands of people all congregating in the same place, all living the same lives, etc.

so you gotta go out to the places where grown ups are hanging out.

the other thing i would suggest is not to merely look at this as 'where are all the hot single mature women?" - instead look to build your social circle.

you know who is going to be able to hook you up with tons of mature single women? mature taken women! they always have friends who are single and looking.

so build out your social circle and things will eventually fall in to place.

oh and one other thing - when you are talking to people (once you kind of know them) drop little hints that you are looking for a good woman. when people know you are looking they often start telling all their single friends 'hey i know this guy you should go out with. want me to hook that up?"

too often guys are too embarassed to admit they are single and looking - they think it makes them look like a loser. but thats retarded. if you were looking for a job would you tell people "dont have a job right now but im not really looking for one."

ummmm - that is retarded. they may have known about a job for you but dont bring it up because hey, you aren't looking.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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jophil28 said:
However ,try these spots -
Women's clothing stores at the mall.. Shoe stores, perfume and cosmetic counters in your local dept stores.
What?? What's he gonna do there? He's obvioulsly not there to buy perfume, cosmetics, or womens clothing. He'll be standing around/walking around aimlessly. It would look stupid. Plus, it would most likely creep 'em out(you know how chix think). Aside from that, women might also think he's looking to play "dress up"(tranny), which'll definitely kill his game. A lot of things pending against him, I wouldn't advise it.

Ducaro, you find those women literally anywhere. Take your pick.
 

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edger said:
What?? What's he gonna do there? He's obvioulsly not there to buy perfume, cosmetics, or womens clothing. He'll be standing around/walking around aimlessly. It would look stupid. Plus, it would most likely creep 'em out(you know how chix think).
He could say that he was buying something for his mom... Don't laugh, I've been there with lady friends and have overheard guys say that. Yeah, the guys would get rebuffed from women giving them strange looks but I was amused with the line if that counts. :p
edger said:
Aside from that, women might also think he's looking to play "dress up"(tranny), which'll definitely kill his game. A lot of things pending against him, I wouldn't advise it.
He could always say that he's trying to get in touch with his feminine side... :crackup:
edger said:
Ducaro, you find those women literally anywhere. Take your pick.
:yes: I agree. :up:
 

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I think Joekerr31 nailed the answer perfectly. The volunteer thing sounds brilliant to me........what a story from her to her friends: "I met him doing volunteer work for........"

As for the perfume counters and womens clothing stores, you dont wanna be one of those Abercrombie and Fitch loiterers (hehe)
 

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edger said:
What?? What's he gonna do there? He's obvioulsly not there to buy perfume, cosmetics, or womens clothing. He'll be standing around/walking around aimlessly. It would look stupid. Plus, it would most likely creep 'em out(you know how chix think). Aside from that, women might also think he's looking to play "dress up"(tranny), which'll definitely kill his game. A lot of things pending against him, I wouldn't advise it.

Ducaro, you find those women literally anywhere. Take your pick.
Edger, you need to go out in the sunlight every couple of months.

Women who work at the perfume /cosmetic counter are usually smart ,elegant and well presented. Secondly,these women are paid to talk to customers...
Need I say more !
 
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Although not a popular place, there is a lot of single women at the morgue!!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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ducaro said:
Trace me down and pour cold water on me if you think I am wrong, but I feel older women.. (26 and above) are a little more logical, sound and grounded than the younger clueless cats. My question is where do you find these women..? what does a 28 year old like me do to find women who are atleast 27.. cuz dating 21's and 22's make me feel like a cradle snatcher anyway.

so where do i look?
From the minute you step out your door in the morning until you return in the evening you are almost always, in some manner, in the company of women.

Most men let many opportunities go by every day.

Let me break it down a bit:

IF YOU’RE ACTUAL EYEBALLS SEE AN ACTUAL WOMAN ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, ANYWAY, THEN THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON YOU CANNOT GO AND ACTUALLY TALK TO THAT WOMAN.

Never, ever, never, never, ever, ever let an opportunity pass you by!
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
He could say that he was buying something for his mom... Don't laugh, I've been there with lady friends and have overheard guys say that. Yeah, the guys would get rebuffed from women giving them strange looks but I was amused with the line if that counts. :p
Yeah, forgot to mention that one. Unfortunately, that's about the only thing you can say.

Francisco d'Anconia said:
He could always say that he's trying to get in touch with his feminine side... :crackup:
Right, lol!
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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ducaro said:
Trace me down and pour cold water on me if you think I am wrong, but I feel older women.. (26 and above) are a little more logical, sound and grounded than the younger clueless cats. My question is where do you find these women..? what does a 28 year old like me do to find women who are atleast 27.. cuz dating 21's and 22's make me feel like a cradle snatcher anyway.

so where do i look?

Women are everywhere.

However, my experience is totally different than you. I'm tired of getting game-played by the late 30's/early 40's woman.

I don't know what it is with older women. I stupidly thought they might actually mature as they got older. Instead, I keep meeting women re-living their 20's or teens. My experience is women in their 20's/early 30's don't yet have the game-playing mastered, and many aren't embittered by divorce.

Just my opinion, I'm sure it differs with others. A lot of my friends are getting game-played by the same age bracketed women as I am.
 

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- volunteering: chic central. volunteer at a hospital, youll come across TONS of nurses - and they are all man starved because there aren't many men in their profession. you'll find TONS of them who don't socialize enough and as a result don't have much access to men.
Nursing gals are often (high corrolation) quite promiscuis and drama queens with a capital D. They are often very nice (nurturers) but master manipulators. Many Nursing types go for your bad-boy jerk types for the drama. If you are nice, forget about Nurses (at least most). You'll be caught up in a soap opera faster than you can say 'Where were you last night?'
 

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Nursing gals are often (high corrolation) quite promiscuis and drama queens with a capital D. They are often very nice (nurturers) but master manipulators. Many Nursing types go for your bad-boy jerk types for the drama. If you are nice, forget about Nurses (at least most). You'll be caught up in a soap opera faster than you can say 'Where were you last night?'
I'd bet.

Most of 'em are hot, that's for sure..but that's only at the good hospitals. One of the great benefits of being a doctor in a hospital, getting to work with a lot of nice pieces of ass. F*ck the private practice, I'd work for a hospital instead.
 

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- volunteering: chic central. volunteer at a hospital, youll come across TONS of nurses - and they are all man starved because there aren't many men in their profession. you'll find TONS of them who don't socialize enough and as a result don't have much access to men.

Good. But do realize that a large % of the women you meet will be married or involved with someone else. Especially the hot ones.

- the gym

An aerobics class will have a better ratio then the weight room. Lots of threads have info on this one.

- your local coffee joint / book store

I've found these venues very tough (high % of crash & burns), but grinder's method (see above link) could work once you've got it down.

- online

If you have a good income, good pic, are not too eccentric, and are seeking women who are very close to your age...

- college 'recreational' courses - usually local colleges have courses on sh*t like cooking, wine tasting, etc.

Good. You may find women who are there for the same reason.

- yoga classes: although i haven't done this myself, 50% of the chics i know over 27 and who dont have a man are doing yoga classes. i refuse to do this because im worried im going to be in one of those crazy pretzel positions, which will put pressure on my abdominal muscles and i'll let rip a gigantic fart.

Very good.

- lastly, basically everywhere else in life - gas station, mall, grocery store, etc.

Have to have very good "cold pickup" skills. Refer to grinder's method again.

the other thing i would suggest is not to merely look at this as 'where are all the hot single mature women?" - instead look to build your social circle.

you know who is going to be able to hook you up with tons of mature single women? mature taken women! they always have friends who are single and looking.

so build out your social circle and things will eventually fall in to place.

That will certainly improve your odds.
 

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tmpgstx said:
Nursing gals are often (high corrolation) quite promiscuis and drama queens with a capital D. They are often very nice (nurturers) but master manipulators. Many Nursing types go for your bad-boy jerk types for the drama. If you are nice, forget about Nurses (at least most). You'll be caught up in a soap opera faster than you can say 'Where were you last night?'
Watch out for nurses. It's in their training to be nosy and bossy and yet to take $hit from doctors.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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