"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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WesCottII

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Here's a conversation I had with a Hb while walking back to the common room ,after a lunch time revision session for history. Feel free to critique.

*names changed for security reasons*

Wes : I can't believe Meg, is she the biggest geek ever? (joking way), she's organized three days for us to come in over half term for revision lessons.
Hb: I know, but at least it'll help with my A-levels.
Wes : True. Ever read Harry Potter? (she nods). Meg reminds me of Hermione Granger, always with her hand in the air, knowing all the answers.
Hb: *Laughs* Yeah. I call her hermione all the time.
Wes : Yeah you know-------what the...? (huge crowd of kids waiting for exams)
Hb: How we going to get through this?
Wes : *Everyone was packed walking slowy, I put my hands on the small of her back to guide her through, then a crowd of girls wouldn't move, so I moved in front of her, so we could get passed. As I turned round to talk to her i brushed her tit with my hand*
Wes : Have I got mashed potato all over my face? Only Jez was spraying that Jacket poatato he was eating everywhere, it was like he was eating it with a lawnmower.
Hb: *laughs* I know, he eats like a pig.
Wes *slight lul in convo, as I see an aquantance and say hi* Sorry about that. Sooooo, what you doing tonight?
Hb: I'm going home first, but then I've got to go to another history revision class, but i've got to go early, because i've got play rehersals (she does drama). What about you?
Wes : I think i'll go home and top up the tan.
Hb: On a sunbed?
Wes: Nah, in the garden. *lifted up my shirt, in doing so showed the six pack ;)*
Hb : I've still got a little bit of a tan *lifts up her shirt to show me her stomach* oops sorry, i've shown you my fat.
Wes : Fat? You're not fat, you've got a great body........Anyway...I like something to hold onto.:)
Hb: Wes!
Wes : Sorry, i'm only kidding. *Kino on upper arm*
Hb: *laughs, sees a male aquaintance, goes to high five him*
Wes : * she returns, I bend over looking at her stomach in profile*
Hb: what?
Wes *smile* don't mind me, I'm just checking you out.
Hb: *you should have seen this guys. She wasn't expecting that, she got all flustered, talked incoherently grinning from ear to ear, while i continued to smile at her* You can see my pants. (no idea where that came from, but her pants were slightly abover her trousers)
Wes : *looks* Oooh, spotty.
Hb: laughs.....

Edit : It seems like she wasn't talking, but she was, it was mainly B0llocks, so i cut it out.

I'm gonna leave it there, there is more, but it became a bit strained. (plus that's long enoug as it is).

Two other problems. She has alot of guy friends (upper sixth, who'll be leaving in 4 weeks), and she'll dump your ass if she see's any of them. I find it hard to talk to her infront of them, coz they're jerks and I can't stand them.
Secondly she is very, very physical. Always wrestling, and messing about with other guys, however she seems reluctant to kino me. Now i know that it isn't because she isn't attracted to me, because she is. So i can only deduce two possibilties

1) She is reluctant to touch me because she likes me.
2) She thinks of me more like on of her girlfriends, who she doesn't get physical with.

Cheers guys
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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If she is that HOT then she probably gets compliments all the time. You should have given her a neg hit. Just be different from all the other chumps that are trying to mac on her. And STOP complimenting he on her physical attractiveness. It's what everyone does, thus not DIFFERENT. Just give her what's shes not used to and she want to find out more about you.
 

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Originally posted by nightryder
If she is that HOT then she probably gets compliments all the time. You should have given her a neg hit. Just be different from all the other chumps that are trying to mac on her. And STOP complimenting he on her physical attractiveness. It's what everyone does, thus not DIFFERENT. Just give her what's shes not used to and she want to find out more about you.
That yes, so basically comment on what shes wearing ect. (Or even her hair)
 

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This seems like a pretty decent convo, and it seems to me like there's some possible interest.

In your post, you said that the fourth years could get her, you can't stand em, all of that. It seems to me like you're putting yourself below them...and if you're going to put yourself below other guys she's interested in, it'll show in how you act and you'll come across as less confident than they do.

Also, you complimented her twice pretty quickly. Just make sure that you aren't raining them down on her, and that it's spread out a little.

And one last thing, one of the posters brough up earlier...try a few neg-hits.
 

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She has plenty of male friends - she kinos them but not you - therefore you are not a male friend. She holds decent convo with you and responds to kino... she likes you. Go have sex with her.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Michael Chief

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i know everyone else is saying this, but ill say it in my own words as well:

STOP COMPLIMENTING HER AND START MAKING FUN OF HER FLAWS. GIRLS LIKE TO BE TEASED LIKE THE LITTLE GIRL IN THE PLAYGROUND WHO GETS HER PIGTAILS PULLED BY THE LITTLE BULLY BOYS.

you should've taken her fat insecurity and used it against her. for example:
her: im fat
you: well, i wasnt going to say anything ...
her: you meanie! *hits your arm playfully*
you: excuse you! calm down before i have to report you for sexual harrassment *initiate some kino while saying this*

well...ok, i went a little too far with the example, but hey, i was on a roll haha.

you get the point.
 

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Originally posted by TonyTheTigerOI
She has plenty of male friends - she kinos them but not you - therefore you are not a male friend. She holds decent convo with you and responds to kino... she likes you. Go have sex with her.
I agree with Tony. I think she's a little shy around you for only 1 reason.
 

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This is an excellent conversation. You're good. And I'm going to learn from your convo. btw, she likes you man.
 

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Originally posted by gRiM999
i know everyone else is saying this, but ill say it in my own words as well:

STOP COMPLIMENTING HER AND START MAKING FUN OF HER FLAWS. GIRLS LIKE TO BE TEASED LIKE THE LITTLE GIRL IN THE PLAYGROUND WHO GETS HER PIGTAILS PULLED BY THE LITTLE BULLY BOYS.

you should've taken her fat insecurity and used it against her. for example:
her: im fat
you: well, i wasnt going to say anything ...
her: you meanie! *hits your arm playfully*
you: excuse you! calm down before i have to report you for sexual harrassment *initiate some kino while saying this*

well...ok, i went a little too far with the example, but hey, i was on a roll haha.

you get the point.
I think what you actually used is 10x better than this. This is cliche and fake and doesn't have the same effect of what you really said to her.

don't take it personally grim
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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