"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Playing hard to get?? Need advice!

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I had a birthday party and I half jokingly told my friend's girlfriend she's free to bring as many girls as she wants and, well, she did. One of them, Sarah, caught my eye, and we've talked quite a bit that night, at one point, when we were in a club, I asked her to join me for a cigarette on the club's terrace/balcony and we talked for about half an hour. She drank a bit too much so I offered to take her home and therefore didn't ask for her phone number just yet. As everybody was going home, an hour or two later, she was contemplating what to do, to sleep over at a friend, have me take her home or drive herself - she had good reasons to go with her car, because of things she had to do next day. And so she did.

Later my friend and I talked over MSN and he asked about this girl, found out I don't have her digits, and by chance his girlfriend was on the phone with Sarah, so, well I don't know what she told her, but I got her number in my MSN window a bit later.

We talked, casually, nice, nothing out of ordinary. Oh, and what I must say is that she's very busy. Working from 9-5 sometimes more, dance practices from around 7-10, I think up to 4 times a week, singing practices a few times a week. Yeah, so it's kind of tight. Not to mention that I'm similarly very busy during the day, but I'm finished by 7 pm.

Over the phone, in another conversation, she told me she's going to be busy the whole week, except sunday, but she's not sure when. Come sunday, I texted her at noon, and apparently she was going for a drink with a friend, later she told me it was a female friend she hadn't seen in ages. She texted me that it's going to take her longer than planned, and she's not sure if she can make it that day. It took her 5 hours. Yeah, I was pretty much pissed off by then. I replied, after an hour, that we can see eachother later in the evening and she said she's home already and I can come there if I'd like to.

I did and we went for a walk, we sat down somewhere and she was basically telling me her life story, sometimes only fragments, but I know alot about her now, I don't know, I guess more than an average aquaintance of hers. Uh, there just wasn't any right moment to start 'the right' talk and eventually maybe go for a kiss. Well crap. It got darker and cold, so she walked me to my car, smiled, waved bye-bye and went home.

Tuesday, there was an open mic show organized by her friend, Sarah was the host, and they asked me to do photos, since it's a pretty serious hobby of mine and I agreed. After the work was done, I tried talking to her, but she was somehow disinterested, I felt like I have to poke in her all the time if I wanted any response, I left soon because I had to get up early, and we both said talk to you later.

God, that was longer than I aimed for...

I really like her, I wouldn't want to mess it up, if I haven't already... so I'm asking you for any advice you can give me. Do I call her, do I wait for her call, if she doesn't call by sunday, do I call her regardless, or what.... I want to take her out to a dinner or at least a drink. And since she's so damn busy, I'll ask her when she's not and then suggest going for a drink.

I'm completely puzzled by all this, if she wasn't interested in my, why always such positive response to my calls, why tell me about herself as a baby, why tell me about her cute baby nieces, her family???
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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ONEITIS ALERT

Have you actually read the Bible, the Book of Pook, or even a significant number of sosuave articles? A few helpful hints:
1. The girl's IL is mediocre at best; try making her miss you more.
2. Don't call a girl just to chat; only call to set up dates.
3. Spin more plates.
4. Don't make yourself too available when SHE CLEARLY IS NOT.
 

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karusel said:
Later my friend and I talked over MSN and he asked about this girl, found out I don't have her digits, and by chance his girlfriend was on the phone with Sarah, so, well I don't know what she told her, but I got her number in my MSN window a bit later.
There are two significant points here.

1. Chicks text chicks. Period. Men go to talk to their buddies out and about not via IM windows.

I'm completely puzzled by all this, if she wasn't interested in my, why always such positive response to my calls, why tell me about herself as a baby, why tell me about her cute baby nieces, her family???
2. You're HER fvcking girlfriend, not the guy directing her attention. You're playing coochie coo with this broad trying desperately to be her friend.

Let me fill you in pal, She's out fvcking the guy who is guiding her attention and making her moist telling her what HE'S going to do with his life not blathering on and on over the fvcking computer or cellphone talking baby talk.
 

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Sure!
Go read The Book of Pook, am new here am about to finish the book and i can see the change in me.
-dont ever ignore anything in the Bible.
 

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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Man from what you told me.. I don't think shes into you. I think your friend zone already. You could make a move though and prove me wrong. Sorry homes.
 

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I am going to make a move, but I'll also take it easy. If it won't work, it won't work, I have no interest in this girl being a friend, plus I want to declare I'm not suffering from oneitis I keep my eyes open and I'm just having fun. I will however try my absolute best and even if I'll fail, I'll take it as practice and turn it into experience points which I'm apparently lacking.

Even by now I've learned some things, I was able to draw parallels between this girl and one mirserable relationship I've had and wit the latter I know where I went wrong.

I suppose it's like this: the girl came out of a particularly disappointing relationship some time ago, she figures, maybe it IS time to start dating again, but then again there's still the memory of the ex, and I'm not too convincing, so she's being a bit timid, indecisive, picky. I am given somehting like carte blanche, she always picks up the phone, she's always ready to talk, always responds, no odd silences, all peaches and cream, BUT she has never called from her own impulse. So the way I understand it, this is a good chance to try out things from the bible/this place.
 

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She aint that great. Move on. How did your friend meet her? Church? Dancing? I'd say go dancing/socializing where she'll most likely be dancing/socializing and let her see you dancing/socializing with other girls. Either that or get a job where you'll be crossing her path as a part of your daily routine on the job (IF you REALLY want her BAD).
 

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Poonani Maker said:
I'd say go dancing/socializing where she'll most likely be dancing/socializing and let her see you dancing/socializing with other girls.
I know she ain't that great, but she's really nice and I'm curious if I can make it with her. Sure, I can do that, pretty easily actually.

get a job where you'll be crossing her path as a part of your daily routine on the job (IF you REALLY want her BAD).
Uh, hell no. That would be pretty insane.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Next her she stood you up.**** that sh1t..I don't ever forgive being stoodup,cancelling ahead of time is one thing but being stood up will get a girl on my****list for life..
 
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