Player Supreme on the Elusive idea of a "Perfect 10"

[OTB]

So I was listening to Player Supreme's lastest podcast entitled as "Critics"
It can be found on this site right here: http://playersupreme.libsyn.com/

His latest rant lead me to discover one of the most eye-opening epiphanies I have ever experienced in my entire life... :yes:

This is why I felt the need to provide the rest of my fellow Don Juans in the community with a transcript of the ultra-enlightening words that the infamous Supreme orates in the lastest episode of his radio show


(The entire "Critics" episode is about 44 minutes long and he takes the majority of this time to respond to 2 letters from his fellow listeners. The part that I am currently referring to only begins around the 25th minute into the entire episode. If you don't feel like listening to the various individualized problems of two of his listeners, feel free to fast forward to the juicy stuff)

Posted below is a transcript of the rant that changed the way I look at many things in life.....

 

[OTB]

As for the slim, skinny "Barbies", that was done by the homosexuals... They put that in there in the late sixties. I lived through it, I know the history of it. The history of why you guys like boyish-looking women. You think back to your father's time. We liked women with curves - Marilyn Monroe types. She was considered "Large." She was a size 12! Back in those days... Which would be considered a size-9, size-10 today. 10... maybe a little bit larger. But real men like women with curves. You'll find that to be true...

Unfortunately, the homosexuals got into the advertising industry, they got into the dress industry. And they started it with "Miss Twiggy." Some of you guys may have heard the name Miss Twiggy... She was the first. They chose her because she was super skinny. So now you guys got sold this whole thing that she's gotta be super-skinny. That is not natural!

So, your "Perfect 10?" Does that not make anybody pissed off that homosexuals programmed you guys that way? I don't know about you guys…But for me, when I know that someone has done something to my head to make me think a certain way ---> It pisses me off! That’s why I don’t listen to commercials anymore. I don’t listen to TV. I don’t want anybody trying to program my head. I’m gonna be pissed off! All you guys that say you love skinny girls, that’s not your natural programming. You’ve been programmed by homosexuals. And I know some of you are saying, “Oh, Supreme’s just off his rocker.” You can go back and look at history. Remember that I’m almost 50 years of age, I’ve liked lived through this. I’ve been one of those people who’ve been watching it. That’s why I’ve been complaining about what’s happening to mankind. You know what else they’ve done? They’ve sold the bill that a woman’s got to be a certain way, a certain size. Do you know what she looks like? A BOY! Who likes boys? Homosexuals! I'm not reaching out and grabbing straws from a distance. This is TRUTH & FACT. You do any type of research and you will find that this is the truth. They have sold you a bill of goods about the "Perfect 10" as being the skinny chick.

Now they're not trying to hire the super-skinny models anymore. Some of you may have heard that... They're trying to get healthier models. The industry's starting to fight back. You notice the pendulum's kind of swinging back. Now we do have a small group still pushing the Emo-type of male. But look what happened to our Bond... Media is a sign of what’s going on. They predict what’s going to happen in the future. Remember we had the effeminate Bond with Pierce Brosnan running around – Pierce Brosnan, skinny guy. Look at the new guy – See what’s going on?

Society’s starting to go back to the old values. In California, we took away the Gay’s rights to be married. It’s going back! So you guys who are stuck with the old programming are gonna be laughed at & stupid and be left behind. I say wake up! And I'm not saying you gotta go for the Fat, flabby, nasty chick... Just be aware of how your mind has been fvcked with... I dated these types. I got fvcked with. I thought I was supposed to date those types because I was an aerobic instructor and a trainer.

Then I realized. I don’t like those types. They don’t do anything for me…I Like curves & softness & flesh because I’m kinesthetic. If you’ve studied Anthony Robbins: we learn that we access information in different ways, some of us are visual, some of us are auditory. I’m kinesthetic and that means I’m a toucher. My ex-wife used to hate it when I was always touching her – grabbing her tits every time we driving everywhere. And I do that to every girl I’ve ever dated, feeling her leg up cause I gotta touch… Even when I’m asleep I gotta touch something. Most of us are visual. And that’s why the porn industry is so popular with you guys. And you’re the ones who’ve got the most fvcked up end of it. Cause they gave you visual messages and programmed you visually.

You have no idea how much programming goes on. Back in the late 1950s & 1960s, they were using subliminal programming and they've gone back to that again. They been caught sneaking that stuff in there ---> Subliminal Programming. We're a society of sheep! Conan, you've been a sheep! PUAs, you guys have been sheep! Programmed like sheep led astray... I think it's time for us to wake up. I think it's past time for us to wake up to the truth of what's really going on... If it's not time for you to wake up, then you need to go back to sleep and not even worry about it...

As for the issue here, I've talked about it:
1. Recognizing that the "Perfect 10" does not exist
2. Don't date for your ego
Also, lastly, as I began to step down in looks and go for more quality...

I've developed a wonderful imagination... When I thought about it, it's always been there. I've noticed it when I was doing the skinny chicks... I looked at a lot of Porn back then... So I always played Porn in my head while I was fvcking them. It's called split-focus concentration. It is before I discovered "the looking into the eyes" stuff. And that might help some of you fellas, cause it also helped keeping my d1ck hard... Cause I'm right-brained, so my imagination is strong. I can picture a big table in front of me right now... and make it almost seem real. And that's a part of the brain taht Nerds need to develop. And I suggest you start developing it when you're having sex with her, you can play back one of your Porn that you listen to or watch in other words.

The remainder of the episode is posted below....

 

[OTB]

The following is a part of the podcast in which Supreme talks about a certain episode from his personal life that somewhat relates to the topic at hand. If you don't feel like reading the entire transcript, feel free to skip ahead to the next "Quotation" I have provided.

In looking over my computer recently, I have noticed that my girl's son has been looking at gay porn on my laptop here. And I wanna say something to him about that but, I don't wanna start an issue... Because the kid feels bad enough for being Gay, but the thing about the stuff he's looking at is that he's been looking at transexuals... And I noticed that his "friend" is gonna be real feminine. He's Fem, but not that way. He likes the "girl" type of guys. So maybe there's hope for him once he straightens himself out and gets out of his shell...

But I think that homosexuals are the way they are because they were born that way & that they've grown in power. So much power that they're actually programming us men. They're actually programing society. They put the fear in the top people. They made up a word. They fvcking made up a word and got us to accept it. "HOMOPHOBIC" How many of you guys have been afraid of being called "homophobic?" If you've been afraid of being called "homophobic", then they've got to you! They got you! They own you. You're like a piece of sh1t under their heels. (Maybe that's a little too far, too graphic. But you get the message.)

The females have got to us & programmed the balls out of us. "Male Chauvanist Pig" Everytime my ex-wife called me that, I loved it! Cause it meant I was doing the right thing. And guess what? I still get women coming to me all the fvcking time :yes: They know what I'm like.

So you have to define yourself fellas. And define how much bullsh!t you're gonna take. It's your life. You don't have to start at zero. But open your mind a little bit. Don't be as critical. Because that chubby little cute little thing ---> you dress her a certain way, you get her to work out, she becomes: DAMN! She's hella cute!

And boom, your ego is fed. You can feel good, so that your boyfriends can feel good. OR you can keep her as chubby and just get some good sex while you're waiting around. Either way, it's still good.

You can feed your boyfriend's ego, or you can feed your own d1ck!

Important Point of Clarification
Throughout this whole time, Supreme is not implying that you guys should go after fat whales! His main point is the homosexauls who are in charge of the fashion industry have suddenly changed the whole perception of what the epitome of female beauty is within the last few decades. This is contrary to the innate programming of a man's mind. Studies conducted by Evolutionary Psychologists have proven that man is pre-programmed to be attracted to women who have a certain proportianality to them: that their breasts, hips and ass correspond to a certain proportion. Men are not and have never been attracted to women the size of sticks. This whole obsession with the super-skinny is a very recent phenomenon that is deeply rooted in the social controll & programming stemming from the power of the modern American media complex.

So to sum it up -----> Think Thick, not Fat!

 

[CapedCrusader08]

I see what you and he are saying,but it comes off as a bit paranoid at times. Personally,bone thin anorexic chicks ain't attractive to me. So I guess I am one step ahead of all this then?

 

[Alle_Gory]

I see what you and he are saying,but it comes off as a bit paranoid at times. Personally,bone thin anorexic chicks ain't attractive to me. So I guess I am one step ahead of all this then?

Not really. Its more of a personal preference.

 

[ready123]

So gay people have hoodwinked society. I swear to god, some of you community people are fvckin wierd

And it shouldn't be a revelation that beauty has always been a subjective judgement. The Chinese used to think foodbinding was beautiful. That one tribe in the Guiness Book of World Records thinks women with ridiculously long necks are beautiful. Look at how "FAT" the naked women in old paintings are. Beauty has always been socially conditioned. Thinking only in terms of skinny vs thick and limiting it to the last 4 decades is totally missing the big picture

 

[SharinganUser]

So gay people have hoodwinked society. I swear to god, some of you community people are fvckin wierd

And it shouldn't be a revelation that beauty has always been a subjective judgement. The Chinese used to think foodbinding was beautiful. That one tribe in the Guiness Book of World Records thinks women with ridiculously long necks are beautiful. Look at how "FAT" the naked women in old paintings are. Beauty has always been socially conditioned. Thinking only in terms of skinny vs thick and limiting it to the last 4 decades is totally missing the big picture

How is it not obvious that the gays are taking over? Queer Eye was not just a tv show, but a passing of the (media) torch from the Jews to the Gays. They held a secret inauguration at the gay world hq in SF.

 

[SuavePlaya]

I agree with supreme, but i'am not sure about all that gay sh1t. I don't really do my research in things like that. All I know that both heads of mine love a woman with curves. I would take marliyn monroe over any of these skinny models these days any day of the week.

 

[bornyesterday]

I seldom watch tv. Because of the reasons supreme mentioned. Perhaps the news programs are the worst of them all.
When I watch beauty contests or anything related to physical beauty and there is a jury almost always it's predominantly gay. And they have the right, no the audacity, to tell us heterosexuals what we have to find beautiful, while they dont understand sh1t what's attractive about femininity. That always pissed me of immensly. The same goes for fashion industry, which I loathe. And I think Supreme is spot on about that.

However I'm not sure about the extent of their 'control' over current standards of female beauty. I think skinny being the archetype of beauty is not just an image that springs from homosexuals but also from certain societal standards about affluence, status and identity. The homosexual 'ideal woman' just fits in nicely with that image.
For instance. Back in the aristocratic circles at the end of the 18th century and with the lower classes in the start of the twentieth century being very pale was the defining characteristic of beauty because it meant you didnt get out much, you werent exposed to the sun which meant you were not a laborer. You had lots of leisure time. In other times it was quite the opposite depending on, amongst others, economic circumstances. Same goes for fat/skinny as characteristic of female beauty.

The stuff about homosexual marriage comes out of the blue. It has nothing to do with this subject. If you're against it you're still in that mindset in which you think marriage is somehow sacred and reserved for something special (or you have just plainly issues with homosexuality as such). Wake the fyck up.

I was never fond of fashion models. Besides being tall, which I dislike they are skinny, lack tits, often dont have ass and their bony shoulders are much wider then their hips. I've always been attracted to the Scarlett Johansson-type. Cute and round. But sometimes slim and well proportioned is sexy as well. It all depends.
I like the new james Blond as well. James Blond is about a new type of man. Its about testosteron, its about violence being the other side of trying to do good. Which is at least symbolically a man's job.

 

[ready123]

How is it not obvious that the gays are taking over? Queer Eye was not just a tv show, but a passing of the (media) torch from the Jews to the Gays. They held a secret inauguration at the gay world hq in SF.

how is that view not deluded and totally oblivious to the bigger picture? there's also been a huge increase in redneck TV shows and comedianx in the past decade. maybe rednecks are taking over too? oh gawd us minorities sholuld be PARANOID

so gay people are integral to the fashion industry. is that the only place we draw our standard of beauty from? how about the porn industry? Hollywood? the music industry?

unless you're just looking for a dumb reason to gaybash use your brain

 

[Fat_Flirt]

I think that supreme is mostly right. Do your own research on how important programming society is. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but from my own research I am positive that feminism was sponsored by big business (not so much the govt) so that they could create a new revenue stream. Give women jobs, give them more freedom, create a new class of consumer.

I prefer the Victoria's Secret Angels shaped models with T&A. The skinnier models are not sexy.

 

[OTB]

Just to show you guys a visual of two important comparisons that were made over the course of the podcast episode:

Marilyn Monroe: http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/marilyn-monroe.jpg
Miss Twiggy: http://fashionation.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/twiggy02.jpg
Something tells me that, the overwhelming majority of you would prefer the first picture over the second

Old James Bond: http://www.celticcafe.com/archive/Music/Evelyn/images/PB_Bond_crop.jpg
New James Bond: http://iongbloed.be/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/daniel-craig-shirtless-2.jpg
There can also be very little debate about who looks more like a real man

 

[Alle_Gory]

I think that supreme is mostly right. Do your own research on how important programming society is. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but from my own research I am positive that feminism was sponsored by big business (not so much the govt) so that they could create a new revenue stream. Give women jobs, give them more freedom, create a new class of consumer.

Its just good business that way. I'm surprised more people don't mention this.

 

[Igetit!]

Just to show you guys a visual of two important comparisons that were made over the course of the podcast episode:

Marilyn Monroe: http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/marilyn-monroe.jpg
Miss Twiggy: http://fashionation.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/twiggy02.jpg
Something tells me that, the overwhelming majority of you would prefer the first picture over the second

Yeah,I can't deny that OTB. That first picture is everything physically I desire in a woman. The woman in the second picture...she just doesn't do it for me. Imo,she looks mal-nourished,frail,and like nothing but skin and bones. Other than a somewhat pretty face,I find nothing attractive.

 

[DJVladdy]

Just to show you guys a visual of two important comparisons that were made over the course of the podcast episode:

Marilyn Monroe: http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/marilyn-monroe.jpg
Miss Twiggy: http://fashionation.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/twiggy02.jpg
Something tells me that, the overwhelming majority of you would prefer the first picture over the second

Old James Bond: http://www.celticcafe.com/archive/Music/Evelyn/images/PB_Bond_crop.jpg
New James Bond: http://iongbloed.be/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/daniel-craig-shirtless-2.jpg
There can also be very little debate about who looks more like a real man

If you like the second girl then you are a homosexual. period

 

[OTB]

Marilyn Monroe: http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/marilyn-monroe.jpg
Miss Twiggy: http://fashionation.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/twiggy02.jpg

Yeah,I can't deny that OTB. That first picture is everything physically I desire in a woman. The woman in the second picture...she just doesn't do it for me. Imo,she looks mal-nourished,frail,and like nothing but skin and bones. Other than a somewhat pretty face,I find nothing attractive.

Igetit! -----> Somehow I'm not surprised

If you like the second girl then you are a homosexual. period

Vlad, I think you're onto something here...

 

[TheRealSupreme]

1. Marilyn was actually a size 14 which equates to a size 12 of today.

2. I am not against homosexual marriage anymore. I just gave up on the whole marriage concept. I made a comment to this effect to show how the it is starting to swing back to old fashioned values due to the recent over turn of gay marriages being allowed in the state of California.

3. I realize it sounds like a conspiracy theory to say that homosexuals did this deliberately. They did. Because their clothes fit better on boyish looking models. The end effect is that now guys like these boyish looking women.

4. To the kid above who doubts this. I am almost 50 years old. You are just beginning in life. I have watched all this go down and it was complained about back then. Nothing was done. In the 80's when I was your age homosexuals came out of the closet and really began to grow in political power and are now a very powerful group on the planet. Look at your own feelings towards gays and you can see the changes they have created in society. Political power is a very very powerful tool.

5. It was from this power that my own race finally started getting equality in the States. Now look how far we have come with our current president.

6. The media (hollywood, advertising, fashion, magazine ect ect) does subvert society. Look at how what is considered good looking in hollywood these days. Soft nerdy types that came out in the 90's now rule. That edward sizzor hands guy and Brad Pitt would of never been cool back in my days. But those types look better on a gay directors casting couch than the types like Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson. My point is that hollywood and the others do have a lot of control over society. You would have to be a blind fool not to see MEDIA's power over us.

7. Here on this very board there is a guy who's screen name I completely forgot arguing with me (why I can never figure out) stating that his women weigh half of what mine do. Now as of today one of my females said she weighed 105lbs. She lost 7lbs recently. So this guy must be into starving asian/african types and that can't be anymore boyish if you tried.

8. I have dated those skinny types of women back when I was teaching aerobics. I only dated them because I was expected to date women like that. I was young and stupid. If any of you guys are dating women that YOU THINK are skinny try being with women who don't have periods they are so skinny. Pvssies dried up cause they can't produce natural moisture down there for long periods of sex. I used to give them yeast infections from having 3 an 4 hour bouts in the sack with me and they would get dry and then friction and bleeding would occur. And I am kinda big down there on top of it.

9. I have found that women with a bit more meat are more naturally feminine and sexual than skinny boyish women. If any of you guys who TRULY date these types then you will know and attest to how if they feel fat they don't wanna fruck. If they eat they feel fat and unattractive. I only dated models, instructors, ballerina types. So maybe your women are not that extreme. They live on diet coke, asparins, bennies, and a cup of lettuce every few days. Nasty!!!! I have seen sores on their tale bones cause they have NO body fat to sit for any length of time. YUCK! Just to look like a boy. Thank god since 3 models died recently they are now making these women gain a certain amount of weight and that is another sign that it's starting to swing back. In 20 years you guys will be the odd balls wanting boyish looking women. Look at the success of J-Lo and her big butt. Black women invented that and she made it alright for your race to like it. Now you guys want bubble butts on women. How many of you are aware that the norm used to be a FLAT arse? Yes white women looked down on bubble but*ts and wanted FLAT but*ts instead.

 

[bornyesterday]

Just some random thoughts:
You are repeating yourself.
Who is the kid?
James Dean died 50 years ago and he looks like brad pitt.
Conspiracy theories suck. Is there a central brain behind it?
The new president is good for your race and I'm glad. However I dont see an unmarried homosexual taking that spot just yet.
Skinny women are often depressogenic and thus suck at sex, its a given. That you had to date them is your problem dont assume we all make the same mistake.
You look good for your age.

 

[ready123]

Im probably one of the kids being referred to even though I'm 30

things I've learned from this thread
- gay people have socially conditioned us to be attracgted to anorexic btches and it's a big deal and straight guys need to wake the fvck up!
- everyone on this thread liked marilyn more than the skinny chick so gay people haven't socially conditioned us and it's not a big deal
- straight guys are socially conditioned to draw their standard of beauty from models on catwalks in the fashion industry (though most guys have never been and have no interest in goikng to a fashion show)
- straight guys ignore all outlets with a standard of beauty where girls dont look like boys, such as porn, men's magazines, the entertanment industry, and top 10 btches of the year lists. this is because we all watch the fashion channel
- Megan Fox, Keeley Hazel, Halle Berry and all the other women most guys think are hot have boys bodies. yea thats right, they have the same bodies as us when we were 10 and gay people have totally conditioned us to not realize it
- homophobia doesn't exist, just like racism doesn't exist
- if you take Supreme's #4 and replace "gay" with "black" you get something that sounds familiar

 

[L777]

I get the point you're making, but how can you really believe all this conspiracy theory BS at the age of 50? Homosexuals have a lot of political power? Wtf?

I've seen a lot of your stuff and read a lot of your stuff and whilst you make some decent points, I think you lie/embellish the truth a lot to suit your agenda. "Skinny women cut cut their tailbone from sitting down", "most guys are attracted to boyish looking women nowadays", it sounds like you just pluck these things out of your head when the writing calls for it.

Just slightly off topic - I've seen you talk about public speaking as well, and criticise some speakers on another seduction website for their lack of ability and in once case, skinniness, (wtf?). Ironic, because YOU come across as overly (try hard) confident, you're not in particularly good shape and you don't articulate yourself anywhere nearly as well as think you do, take this from a British guy with a Masters in English language and public speaking.

Also, in this thread, you come across as homophobic, chauvinistic and the fact that you feel the need to detail your endowment size and apparant sexual stamina on an internet forum at the age of 'almost 50' is, for want of a better word, pathetic.