"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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In a relationship. The girl's actually pretty good. Minimal BS, and acknowledges it when called on it. Loves fun, allows me to create it. Seems to be mostly okay with the fact that deep down she prefers for me to take charge. Always ready for sex, and best sex I've had.

Now she's brought up serious relationship talk. Not moving in together or marriage, but talk about the relationship's future, which amounts to the same thing to me. Logically, she seems like great marriage material to me. But when I slightly humor the idea, there's an instant reaction: no.

I'm not sure if it's something about the girl in particular, something about me (perhaps I don't feel I'M mature enough yet to make such a decision), or perhaps I just don't believe marriage or cohabitation is going to ever be something I truly want or that is best for me.

Just about every married guy I know has that 'part of him' that somehow rubs me as pathetic. The best I can describe is that I notice he humors and caters, through words or action, to his wife's BS, despite knowing it's BS. I see this on all sorts of levels. And it's amazing how this can infest his life. Is this a negative mindset or am I on to something?

Here's a problem: I already catch myself doing this sometimes. And it's because I started.... caring about the girl (whoops?). Caring isn't bad, but apparently I'm not mature enough to handle it, as I'll sometimes catch myself not making the choices I truly believe are best to spare her 'feelings'. Logically, I know this is benefiting nobody and certainly hurting me.

Man finds fork in road.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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How old is she and how long have you been together?
 

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30 and a year.
 

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Piddly sh*t. But I figure piddly sh*t turns into important things over time (especially if you live together).
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Follow your instinct. If the thought of a serious relationship with this girl makes a part of you go "no", don't do it. Maybe nothing against her - you may just not be ready. And don't move in with a girl unless you're ready for marriage. I've lived with 2 gfs (should have learned my lesson the first time). It's not necessarily bad, but it takes a lot of the mystery and tension out. Needless to say sex takes a nosedive when both people become comfortable. Part of that has to do with maturity as well (or lack thereof). A serious relationship is serious work. It's not easy. I would imagine marriage is even harder. RT is probably gonna come in here and spew something to the tune of "sure it's easy just be a man and she'll be a woman" but the point is you have to work at being a man, especially one who just agreed to let 1 woman have his balls rather than many.

She's older than you (27 vs 30). Typically that means a lot more mature. I'd suggest going for the 21 year olds. Plus she probably wants to have kids soon. She may not be bringing it up, but trust me this is a long process/way of reeling you in. My last GF was all great and then about 8 months into our relationship she got wedding fever. Past the year mark is was insane.
 

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If you want different things, the relationship is dead at this moment, then its just a matter of how long you want to draw it out. You want to string it along for a few more years before it becomes sour and ends with you growing comfortable and soft and her growing resentful and start cheating? Or do you want just tell her right now that you don't want anything serious and let her go so she can find what she's looking for? Personally I'm to old to be stringing someone along, let em go find their happiness, it was fun while it lasted.
 

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30 and a year.
Are her female friends, siblings and relatives around the same age and in serious relationships or getting married (or already married)?
 
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In a relationship. The girl's actually pretty good. Minimal BS, and acknowledges it when called on it. Loves fun, allows me to create it. Seems to be mostly okay with the fact that deep down she prefers for me to take charge. Always ready for sex, and best sex I've had.

Now she's brought up serious relationship talk. Not moving in together or marriage, but talk about the relationship's future, which amounts to the same thing to me. Logically, she seems like great marriage material to me. But when I slightly humor the idea, there's an instant reaction: no.

I'm not sure if it's something about the girl in particular, something about me (perhaps I don't feel I'M mature enough yet to make such a decision), or perhaps I just don't believe marriage or cohabitation is going to ever be something I truly want or that is best for me.

Just about every married guy I know has that 'part of him' that somehow rubs me as pathetic. The best I can describe is that I notice he humors and caters, through words or action, to his wife's BS, despite knowing it's BS. I see this on all sorts of levels. And it's amazing how this can infest his life. Is this a negative mindset or am I on to something?

Here's a problem: I already catch myself doing this sometimes. And it's because I started.... caring about the girl (whoops?). Caring isn't bad, but apparently I'm not mature enough to handle it, as I'll sometimes catch myself not making the choices I truly believe are best to spare her 'feelings'. Logically, I know this is benefiting nobody and certainly hurting me.

Man finds fork in road.
I feel the same way.

Do you want to have children? That's the only reason I would ever consider getting married.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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