"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Pillow talk?

OnTheWayUp

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I've found lately that I'm completely turned off by girls who will not stop talking in bed. My oneitis back in November was like this- she told me all about her troubled childhood and how much she liked me very quickly. Whilst this was cute at first, it got boring very quickly. Although I overlooked it at the time because she is very attractive, I should have seen her speed in opening up to me as a sign of mental instability and immaturity.

This raises the question of what kind of pillow talk a man should use to keep an interested girl around and improve emotional bonding.

I'm quite a chatty guy, and when I first started hanging out with girls in an intimate situation, I made the classic AFC mistake of telling them my life story too quickly. This typically led to me being friendzoned within a couple of weeks.

When I initially discovered this website, I went to the other extreme. I started telling girls vivid, made-up stories about my "sexual past." I certainly created a reputation for myself as a player this way, which was a huge ego boost at first to a guy with almost no experience of women at that stage. The downside was that I lost girls who gave me bjs etc who otherwise would have slept with me.

I now find myself somewhere in the middle. I am very physically affectionate in bed after sex, but refrain from telling the girl about my life unless she asks. Even then, I will sometimes deflect questions I don't answering. I crack a lot of jokes, often at the girl's expense, innuendos, or based on some inside joke. I am also comfortable with periods of extended silence, which was not the case a year ago. My current FWB tells me I'm more affectionate than any other guy she's ever been with, and that she's never laughed so much in bed before.

Anyone else care to offer a perspective on this?
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Mike32ct

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After sex, I find that I'm very very relaxed and "chill", so despite being tired, my conversation flows better than at any other time. I can literally rattle on about anything for hours. My brain's "filter" that usually make me self-conscious and quiet is shut off at that time.

(Off topic: If you can, that is the best time to put your clothes back on and return to the bar. Your game will never be better and chicks can smell sex on you.)

That said, I enjoy pillow talk. For me, it's just connecting. We can be talking about something really mundane, or we can be talking about some fun like other sex positions and fantasies that she's into.

But should you get deep into your life story? Probably not with a hookup. If she asks deep questions, give a brief answer and then try to change the subject to something more light and fun.

Life story stuff would be more of a relationship thing. Even then, only give her a little bit at a time to maintain mystery.

If it's a random ONS you met on vacation/holiday, then it doesn't matter what you talk about. You can even go totally AFC because you already b*nged her and won't see her again lol. I've gotten overly affectionate and told my life story in those cases because I don't care at that point.

I haven't been with a much younger one in a while. One thing about young chicks is some of them talk REALLY fast. Some go so fast that I start to question my level of English fluency, even though it's my native language lol. I would hope she would slow down after sex, but not necessarily. Some chicks get more wound up after.
 
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