Evil-Rom
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jealous much
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Pickup Artist Mystery on Elle Magazine
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
frivolousz21
Master Don Juan
I think this works..Im sure it works..but it seems like to much work..I will resort to my current method..of being extremely confident, ****y, and funny!!!!!!
What are the 9 stages of courtship? They say in the article "3 attraction, 3 comfort, then 3 seduction" but how do those breakdown further, and where did he come up with this ****?
My opinion is, he has success because this WORKS FOR HIM. Notice that none of his students had ANY success whatsoever. For him, magic works ... if anyone else tries magic tricks, they'd feel uncomfortable and it would not work (unless they actually had a passion for magic).
My opinion is, he has success because this WORKS FOR HIM. Notice that none of his students had ANY success whatsoever. For him, magic works ... if anyone else tries magic tricks, they'd feel uncomfortable and it would not work (unless they actually had a passion for magic).
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
Ah hell, I suppose it was just a matter of time before DJ terminology finally filtered into the mainstream. I can't think of a better way to kill a game like Mystery's faster than letting the all female readership base of Elle magazine in on his operation. How many guys will be sarging next month only to have some HB he's working go, "uh-uh, your Kino's not working on me loser, I never gave you an AI and my IL is nonexistant for you, so hit your eject button"? Goddammit,..
Seriously though, I thought the article was terrific and as a psychologist myself I rather enjoyed the behaviorist confirmation of what I've been preaching for ages now. But I'm gonna have to poke a few more holes myself too.
Mystery is a dry drunk in regards to 'his' technique. The definition of a dry drunk is that of an alcoholic who has never truly defeated his addiction, but transfered it to another behavior. Many former alcoholics do this with religion, trading one fervent obsession for an equally fervent competing obsession. In behaviorism this is called DRA or differential reinforcement of alternate behavior. It is the systematic reinforcement of an alternate competing behavior that decreases the likelyhood (or puts to extinction) that a problem behavior will occur. Mystery is still an AFC himself because he has not fundimentally changed his cognitive reasons for changing his behavior, as is evidenced by his desire for a 'real', satisfying LTR in spite of making a living from teaching other AFCs the competing behaviors of his methods. The statement of his desire to have the choice to "spoon all night" with a woman is his achilles heel. He still reserves a desire to engage in his former AFC behaviors and will most likely revert to them when he does infact secure an LTR with the chick that flew out to live with him. I wouldn't be shocked to see this guy in a series damaging monogamous relationships into his 30's as he struggles with a simultaneous desire to maintain an LTR and consistently employ his method.
None of this of course is meant to discredit the processes described in the article, but I struggle a bit with calling this 'his' method since as has been pointed out, many have come before him with similar, if not the same, concepts. To Mystery's credit, he's codified and standardized a lot, but he's stood on the shoulders of giants so to speak and reduced it to a formula. Neurolinguistic Programing has a long history in altering public opinion in everything from politics and advertising to leading witnesses in court about what they remember. Tying NP to Mystery's method isn't tough, but he didn't invent it. B.F. Skinner introduced the concept of contingent punishment and reward, kudos to Elle magazine for even knowing Skinner's name (I wonder how many Elle readers do?), but all Mystery's 'freeze-out' is is manipulative Kino that we've all experimented with from the DJ Bible. I am familiar with the 9 phase method and it's literally nothing the DJ Bible doesn't cover already.
I will give the guy some praise though, he's managed to turn a handsome profit from the desperation of uber AFCs willing to set down $1500 for schooling. I think I know where David D' Angelo is getting his material now. Notice that not one of these guys met with even a fraction of the success that Mystery did in the clubs? This reminds me of some case studies I read in a human memory psych class where a group of students were assessed as needing tutorial help sessions for low or average grades in certain classes and were enrolled at their performance level in these 'help sessions'. The sessions were structured as such so that they weren't actually beneficial to the students academic performance and their test scores both before and after the session months remained the same. Yet 85% of the test subjects recalled being less proficient before the sessions even though their test scores were identical. In other words, human beings have a tendency to improve their present by altering the interpretations of their past. It's fundamentals like this that puts money in Mystery's pockets.
For $1500 these guys could've gotten laid effortlessly more than 12 times here in Reno, NV with no strings attached. P.T. Barnum was right. Especially when you consider that most of Mystery's AFC expressed a desire for an LTR by employing his method.
Seriously though, I thought the article was terrific and as a psychologist myself I rather enjoyed the behaviorist confirmation of what I've been preaching for ages now. But I'm gonna have to poke a few more holes myself too.
Mystery is a dry drunk in regards to 'his' technique. The definition of a dry drunk is that of an alcoholic who has never truly defeated his addiction, but transfered it to another behavior. Many former alcoholics do this with religion, trading one fervent obsession for an equally fervent competing obsession. In behaviorism this is called DRA or differential reinforcement of alternate behavior. It is the systematic reinforcement of an alternate competing behavior that decreases the likelyhood (or puts to extinction) that a problem behavior will occur. Mystery is still an AFC himself because he has not fundimentally changed his cognitive reasons for changing his behavior, as is evidenced by his desire for a 'real', satisfying LTR in spite of making a living from teaching other AFCs the competing behaviors of his methods. The statement of his desire to have the choice to "spoon all night" with a woman is his achilles heel. He still reserves a desire to engage in his former AFC behaviors and will most likely revert to them when he does infact secure an LTR with the chick that flew out to live with him. I wouldn't be shocked to see this guy in a series damaging monogamous relationships into his 30's as he struggles with a simultaneous desire to maintain an LTR and consistently employ his method.
None of this of course is meant to discredit the processes described in the article, but I struggle a bit with calling this 'his' method since as has been pointed out, many have come before him with similar, if not the same, concepts. To Mystery's credit, he's codified and standardized a lot, but he's stood on the shoulders of giants so to speak and reduced it to a formula. Neurolinguistic Programing has a long history in altering public opinion in everything from politics and advertising to leading witnesses in court about what they remember. Tying NP to Mystery's method isn't tough, but he didn't invent it. B.F. Skinner introduced the concept of contingent punishment and reward, kudos to Elle magazine for even knowing Skinner's name (I wonder how many Elle readers do?), but all Mystery's 'freeze-out' is is manipulative Kino that we've all experimented with from the DJ Bible. I am familiar with the 9 phase method and it's literally nothing the DJ Bible doesn't cover already.
I will give the guy some praise though, he's managed to turn a handsome profit from the desperation of uber AFCs willing to set down $1500 for schooling. I think I know where David D' Angelo is getting his material now. Notice that not one of these guys met with even a fraction of the success that Mystery did in the clubs? This reminds me of some case studies I read in a human memory psych class where a group of students were assessed as needing tutorial help sessions for low or average grades in certain classes and were enrolled at their performance level in these 'help sessions'. The sessions were structured as such so that they weren't actually beneficial to the students academic performance and their test scores both before and after the session months remained the same. Yet 85% of the test subjects recalled being less proficient before the sessions even though their test scores were identical. In other words, human beings have a tendency to improve their present by altering the interpretations of their past. It's fundamentals like this that puts money in Mystery's pockets.
For $1500 these guys could've gotten laid effortlessly more than 12 times here in Reno, NV with no strings attached. P.T. Barnum was right. Especially when you consider that most of Mystery's AFC expressed a desire for an LTR by employing his method.
“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
For all your book knowledge and quotes, do you actually have a method for seducting the hottest girls in club or just rely on luck and hookers in Reno?
Calling Mystery an AFC when the guy has fcked 100s of women... and invented methods in seduction that get 1000s of guys laid around the world....... how many women have u done Freud?
Calling Mystery an AFC when the guy has fcked 100s of women... and invented methods in seduction that get 1000s of guys laid around the world....... how many women have u done Freud?
MrCode
Senior Don Juan
I think this right here is the key, and is more profound than most guys might realize.
The thing is, we all have our own unique quirks, skills, personality traits, etc., so if we try to adopt someone else's style of seduction without customizing it for ourselves, we will not succeed because it just won't be congruent.
Too many guys seem to want to easy way out of just copying someone verbatum without making an effort to try things out and refine their style.
So one example is guys trying to do the Mystery method when they aren't as entertaining as Mystery. Or doing David D style stuff without a good grasp of C&F (or going way over the top with extreme C&F.)
You just need to take the knowledge in, get rid of the obviously bad AFC traits you might have, then go out in the field and refine your style. Being a DJ is as much a skill as a personality trait. A skill that needs to be honed like any other.
To Mystery's credit, you can't expect a full-blown AFC to be able to compete with Mystery at a club after a couple hours in his seminar. But I bet they were better than they were before. And if they keep it up and develop their own style like I'm saying, they will have some serious skill in time.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
- Opening
- Female to male attraction
- Male to female qualifying
- Rapport
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Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
This is so completely true....
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
For 1500 bucks you can get 25 Doc Love phone coachings. Dumb investment! What they are really paying for here are the limousine rides, not information. I must admit he has some nice techniques, but he already “spilled the beans” to Elle. The author of the article has him around her little finger, and you can see she is clearly making fun of him.
- “But Mystery wants me to know he's not a dog. “Seriously,” he says, hushing the room, “I'm a romantic. I fall in love all the time. The sexual thing isn't enough. There was a time that's all I was doing it for, but now I'd rather spoon with a girl all night than have sex.”
Madbad's eyes widen in awe. “I'd just like to have the choice,” he says.” The article does not fail to serve the Feminist agenda of belittling men. What you read between the lines is that all men ARE dogs.
- “Mystery tells his protégés, adding that one should never say anything to a woman “who counts” that he hasn't rehearsed on at least two dozen less compelling women, like a comedian sharpening his jokes before a big show. “You can't do that by talking only to hotties. You have to socialize yourself by talking to the UGs [ugly ones],” he says.”” This is good advice!
- “Mystery likes to flash his black nails and admit that he gets mistaken for a devil worshiper.” That’s who most people worship. Most women would prefer to have a one night stand with someone who looks clean. But if it adds to his confidence, fine.
- “What have you got going for you besides your looks?” Nice.
- “You know, you made a pretty rotten first impression, but now that I know you a bit better I realize you're pretty amazing” A very subtle disguised neg that forces her to try and prove herself because of gnawing dissatisfaction. Amazing is overcomplimenting though. Tone it down to interesting.
- “Throughout it, Mystery uses body language and touch in a Skinner-esque behavioral system of reward and punishment. He'll gently touch a woman on her wrist or cheek or take her hands as he is talking. If she doesn't reciprocate, he'll turn away and “freeze her out.” When he reengages, he'll touch her again. Her discomfort during the freeze-out will be greater than her unease at the original touch and she'll welcome the second attempt. “Airlines define comfort as a lack of discomfort,” he likes to say. “I'm just slowly eliminating her discomfort.” This reward and punishment can carry a man into his eventual push for sex. “The freeze-out is one of the best ways to eliminate LMR,” Mystery says, or “last-minute resistance.” He licks his lips, rubs his hands together, and cackles as his students erupt into lascivious peals.” The Freeze-out can come across as SULKING, or worse – MAKING ULTIMATUMS which is exactly how the author of the article perceived it. But it will probably work on a slightly insecure woman, or to break last minute resistance.
- “I save the story about my dad dying for the ones I really care about.” BAD, he is poisoning the minds of these AFCs with this. The surest way to turn a woman off is to make her into your shrink. This is a piece of Feminist brainwashing, and I bet Elle was overjoyed to have a supposed Master Pickup Artist promote this lie to men.
- ““Doing what you've done will only get you what you've gotten,” he intones” Good.
He really does not know the reason for his success. The main contributing factor must be his looks, plus the confidence that comes from THINKING he knows what he is doing, plus wealth, plus the fact that when you are performing in front of people, it tends to make you give your best performance. Been there, done that.
- “But Mystery wants me to know he's not a dog. “Seriously,” he says, hushing the room, “I'm a romantic. I fall in love all the time. The sexual thing isn't enough. There was a time that's all I was doing it for, but now I'd rather spoon with a girl all night than have sex.”
Madbad's eyes widen in awe. “I'd just like to have the choice,” he says.” The article does not fail to serve the Feminist agenda of belittling men. What you read between the lines is that all men ARE dogs.
- “Mystery tells his protégés, adding that one should never say anything to a woman “who counts” that he hasn't rehearsed on at least two dozen less compelling women, like a comedian sharpening his jokes before a big show. “You can't do that by talking only to hotties. You have to socialize yourself by talking to the UGs [ugly ones],” he says.”” This is good advice!
- “Mystery likes to flash his black nails and admit that he gets mistaken for a devil worshiper.” That’s who most people worship. Most women would prefer to have a one night stand with someone who looks clean. But if it adds to his confidence, fine.
- “What have you got going for you besides your looks?” Nice.
- “You know, you made a pretty rotten first impression, but now that I know you a bit better I realize you're pretty amazing” A very subtle disguised neg that forces her to try and prove herself because of gnawing dissatisfaction. Amazing is overcomplimenting though. Tone it down to interesting.
- “Throughout it, Mystery uses body language and touch in a Skinner-esque behavioral system of reward and punishment. He'll gently touch a woman on her wrist or cheek or take her hands as he is talking. If she doesn't reciprocate, he'll turn away and “freeze her out.” When he reengages, he'll touch her again. Her discomfort during the freeze-out will be greater than her unease at the original touch and she'll welcome the second attempt. “Airlines define comfort as a lack of discomfort,” he likes to say. “I'm just slowly eliminating her discomfort.” This reward and punishment can carry a man into his eventual push for sex. “The freeze-out is one of the best ways to eliminate LMR,” Mystery says, or “last-minute resistance.” He licks his lips, rubs his hands together, and cackles as his students erupt into lascivious peals.” The Freeze-out can come across as SULKING, or worse – MAKING ULTIMATUMS which is exactly how the author of the article perceived it. But it will probably work on a slightly insecure woman, or to break last minute resistance.
- “I save the story about my dad dying for the ones I really care about.” BAD, he is poisoning the minds of these AFCs with this. The surest way to turn a woman off is to make her into your shrink. This is a piece of Feminist brainwashing, and I bet Elle was overjoyed to have a supposed Master Pickup Artist promote this lie to men.
- ““Doing what you've done will only get you what you've gotten,” he intones” Good.
He really does not know the reason for his success. The main contributing factor must be his looks, plus the confidence that comes from THINKING he knows what he is doing, plus wealth, plus the fact that when you are performing in front of people, it tends to make you give your best performance. Been there, done that.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
Hmmm,..well let's do a little math then.
5 AFCs in a class for a weekend at $1500 per sucker,...$7500 in a weekend, $30K per month, $360,000 a year,...OK I was wrong, the guy's a fvcken genius!
He's basically tuned into the same insecurities for men that the cosmetic industry has exploited for years in women and is laughing all the way to the bank.
The point is, in principle, the DJ boot camp/Bible is every bit as effective as Mystery's method for free. Mystery didn't 'invent' sh!t, he just packaged existing material real cleverly in a way that AFCs swallow more easily.
I always thought that this forum's purpose was to help AFCs be better men with better inderstanding of what they ought to be living up to as men. ANd it's free. Mystery only teaches cheap parlor tricks and repackaged formulas for hooking up that dubiously work (apparently only for him judging from the article) for now, to AFCs with enough cash to come to him.
This guy is every bit an AFC that these other simps are, he just happens to be able to pull off his own tricks better. I can teach you how to pull trim, what I can't make you learn, and niether can Mystery because he hasn't figured it out yet, is how to be a man and kill the AFC inside you that will last into a healthy LTR or marriage - and that's assuming you have the sack enough to know whether or not marriage or an LTR is actually what's best for you. I can tell you the guys in this article don't, but think they do.
5 AFCs in a class for a weekend at $1500 per sucker,...$7500 in a weekend, $30K per month, $360,000 a year,...OK I was wrong, the guy's a fvcken genius!
He's basically tuned into the same insecurities for men that the cosmetic industry has exploited for years in women and is laughing all the way to the bank.
The point is, in principle, the DJ boot camp/Bible is every bit as effective as Mystery's method for free. Mystery didn't 'invent' sh!t, he just packaged existing material real cleverly in a way that AFCs swallow more easily.
I always thought that this forum's purpose was to help AFCs be better men with better inderstanding of what they ought to be living up to as men. ANd it's free. Mystery only teaches cheap parlor tricks and repackaged formulas for hooking up that dubiously work (apparently only for him judging from the article) for now, to AFCs with enough cash to come to him.
This guy is every bit an AFC that these other simps are, he just happens to be able to pull off his own tricks better. I can teach you how to pull trim, what I can't make you learn, and niether can Mystery because he hasn't figured it out yet, is how to be a man and kill the AFC inside you that will last into a healthy LTR or marriage - and that's assuming you have the sack enough to know whether or not marriage or an LTR is actually what's best for you. I can tell you the guys in this article don't, but think they do.
belividere
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What I really dont understand is that in the article he continously talks about wanting to find an LTR and the perfect girl. If he is the seductionist that he claims then how hasn't he accomplished this. It seems as that he is self-consumed in his own quest for pick-ups. I mean people paid that much money to sit in the corner and watch him show off his moves? A couple of day time seminars. I dont know it seems like someone suffers from a slight delusion of granduer. I'm not a psychologist by any means but I think Rolla hit this on the head with the dry drunk syndrome.
MindOverMatter
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I like this post.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
I just got back from a happy hour with some buds from work and I tried some of Mystery's theories and I had some pretty good success. I got two #closes from a group of women that work together and a email address from another. I didn't use magic but I did tell some humorous timely stories kind of like the topics that they do on John Stewart's Daily Show.
It seems that his idea about woman wanting attention AND approval has merit. I tried the back turning/neg hitting and ignoring on four of the five women in the group. I ended up with telephone numbers from two of the women and the email address of the woman who I focused my attention when ignoring the others.
Long story short, they want me to get in touch with them tomorrow to let them know if me and my buds would want to hang out with them after work on Friday. I'm not sure if I'm really interested in any of the women plus I need to let my buds in on Mystery's method so they don't accidentally put ripples in my flow as they almost did several times tonight. Plus I need to become more familiar with Mystery's theory, I've only studied excerpts of his work for the last couple of nights.
More to come...
It seems that his idea about woman wanting attention AND approval has merit. I tried the back turning/neg hitting and ignoring on four of the five women in the group. I ended up with telephone numbers from two of the women and the email address of the woman who I focused my attention when ignoring the others.
Long story short, they want me to get in touch with them tomorrow to let them know if me and my buds would want to hang out with them after work on Friday. I'm not sure if I'm really interested in any of the women plus I need to let my buds in on Mystery's method so they don't accidentally put ripples in my flow as they almost did several times tonight. Plus I need to become more familiar with Mystery's theory, I've only studied excerpts of his work for the last couple of nights.
More to come...
zentraveller
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I think there's a lot of senseless hating on this board.
The guy has literally picked up hundreds (thousands?) of women, and can do it essentially ON COMMAND at the toughest venues in Los Angeles.
I don't care if his techniques are re-hashed psychological principles or if he's making money off selling it.
Any guy who's THAT experienced with women has some valuable insight and tips to share. It's really not any different than Phil Jackson charging $25,000 a pop for "leadership" seminars to Fortune 500 execs. People want to hear from people who are successful.
Considering there are people on this board asking whether they should adopt the "snoop dawg persona" to pick up women, I personally plan to keep an open mind when listening to a guy with PROVEN seduction skills.
The guy has literally picked up hundreds (thousands?) of women, and can do it essentially ON COMMAND at the toughest venues in Los Angeles.
I don't care if his techniques are re-hashed psychological principles or if he's making money off selling it.
Any guy who's THAT experienced with women has some valuable insight and tips to share. It's really not any different than Phil Jackson charging $25,000 a pop for "leadership" seminars to Fortune 500 execs. People want to hear from people who are successful.
Considering there are people on this board asking whether they should adopt the "snoop dawg persona" to pick up women, I personally plan to keep an open mind when listening to a guy with PROVEN seduction skills.
Evil-Rom
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I can't believe someone is actually calling Mystery an AFC. Hey where have you proven your abilities to countless guys from the seduction community?
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
Driving home last night I still couldn't put my finger on why exactly Mystery rubbed me the wrong way. Then I heard a radio ad for E-Harmony.com and it came to me.
The guy is an AFC because he still subscribes to the fallacy of the ONE. He's got ONEitis as is evidenced by his attitude and desire for an idealized LTR.
“I'm a romantic. I fall in love all the time. The sexual thing isn't enough. There was a time that's all I was doing it for, but now I'd rather spoon with a girl all night than have sex.”
"one should never say anything to a woman
'who counts' that he hasn't rehearsed on at least two dozen less compelling women,"
“I save the story about my dad dying for the ones I really care about.”
"For all of Mystery's manipulation, he asserts that he's a romantic looking for lifelong love with someone he doesn't feel he “deserves”—not that his desire for connection comes through to the women he woos." (if this doesn't scream AFC I don't know what does!)
"Mystery calls a coat check girl he'd spoken with for seven minutes during a Chicago boot camp and persuades her to leave her fiancé to fly out to Los Angeles for a week—the fruition of a phone flirtation he has carried on during breaks in the seminar. “This is it,” he tells the group over lunch, eyelids fluttering. “She's the one. I know it. I think I'm in love.”
And in the end he moves in with this chick.
How do you not see this guy is an AFC? He subscribes to the soul-mate lie. As I said, he's a dry drunk. He can kill the symptoms, but can't cure the disease. This exactly the same type of marketing E-Harmony uses only from the female's viewpoint.
I'm not debating whether or not the method works. Obviously it does, but anyone who's gone through DJ bootcamp or seriously read the DJ Bible can attest to this. I'm not selling anyone on a different methodology, I'm just saying this guy is incomplete and the AFCs willing to fork over $1500 for it are getting played.
I think this is one of the reasons people have trouble understanding POOK. I'm paraphrasing, but what's the benefit of having a bulletproof method of successfully scoring chicks 100% of the time when you still haven't mastered yourself? You only fall back into your old AFC behaviors once you have succeeded. What's this chick from Chicago going to do when Mystery turns out to be an AFC for her in an LTR? What's going to be her response when she perceives him to be a confident male and he wants to spoon with her? What's this girl going to do when he gives up marketing his method for his relationship with her and his income dries up? I laughed my a$$ off thinking about this guy as the husband he so desperately wants to be.
The guy is an AFC because he still subscribes to the fallacy of the ONE. He's got ONEitis as is evidenced by his attitude and desire for an idealized LTR.
“I'm a romantic. I fall in love all the time. The sexual thing isn't enough. There was a time that's all I was doing it for, but now I'd rather spoon with a girl all night than have sex.”
"one should never say anything to a woman
'who counts' that he hasn't rehearsed on at least two dozen less compelling women,"
“I save the story about my dad dying for the ones I really care about.”
"For all of Mystery's manipulation, he asserts that he's a romantic looking for lifelong love with someone he doesn't feel he “deserves”—not that his desire for connection comes through to the women he woos." (if this doesn't scream AFC I don't know what does!)
"Mystery calls a coat check girl he'd spoken with for seven minutes during a Chicago boot camp and persuades her to leave her fiancé to fly out to Los Angeles for a week—the fruition of a phone flirtation he has carried on during breaks in the seminar. “This is it,” he tells the group over lunch, eyelids fluttering. “She's the one. I know it. I think I'm in love.”
And in the end he moves in with this chick.
How do you not see this guy is an AFC? He subscribes to the soul-mate lie. As I said, he's a dry drunk. He can kill the symptoms, but can't cure the disease. This exactly the same type of marketing E-Harmony uses only from the female's viewpoint.
I'm not debating whether or not the method works. Obviously it does, but anyone who's gone through DJ bootcamp or seriously read the DJ Bible can attest to this. I'm not selling anyone on a different methodology, I'm just saying this guy is incomplete and the AFCs willing to fork over $1500 for it are getting played.
I think this is one of the reasons people have trouble understanding POOK. I'm paraphrasing, but what's the benefit of having a bulletproof method of successfully scoring chicks 100% of the time when you still haven't mastered yourself? You only fall back into your old AFC behaviors once you have succeeded. What's this chick from Chicago going to do when Mystery turns out to be an AFC for her in an LTR? What's going to be her response when she perceives him to be a confident male and he wants to spoon with her? What's this girl going to do when he gives up marketing his method for his relationship with her and his income dries up? I laughed my a$$ off thinking about this guy as the husband he so desperately wants to be.
So Many Ways
Master Don Juan
That's what I got out of it. It isn't far off from how rock stars are able to use their performance to attract groupies.
That doesn't mean that he doesn't have game, but I doubt if those students who plunk down $1500 are going to get what they paid for.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.