"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Picking up girls after 30

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I have a queston guys I recently turned 30 and it seems that I am not into getting girls as much as I used to. My game has really slowed down over last 1.5 years.

There a couple of trouble spots for me. Where do guys this age pick up woman. I go to clubs and it is not the same for me. It seems that my hunger in woman is not the same as it used to be.

My most successful years to pick up woman were 23-28.5 when were your best years? Prefer men over age of 30 to answer this question


Where can I go to pick up woman? And how can I get that hunger back again.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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For me it was college years -- girls on their own the first time wanted to get wild and loose!! After that ho-hum! You can still hang out at college campuses - considering that there are plenty of single women looking for men!!!
 
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Last Man Standing said:
For me it was college years -- girls on their own the first time wanted to get wild and loose!! After that ho-hum! You can still hang out at college campuses - considering that there are plenty of single women looking for men!!!
DO you think 30 is too old to hang around college campuses?
 

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Go to bars, clubs for over 25’s e.t.c


The way you post its like your over 65!!

30 is not that old at all, stop making excuses about pulling.

This is simply mental framing, you have a negative frame.

Hell I pull women of all ages, not all the time granted, but I never once consider my age to be a factor.
Wonder why you do?

30 years old, so what?
Best women at x age, so what again!
Lets all compare our scores with past years and set our mental framing against that.

Look man your post makes no sense other then a poor limited belief in yourself!

Some women actually want a mature man, older man e.t.c


As for hunger, seems your maturing past wanting women to qualify your life.
So in that the hunger will come when you connect with a women who floats your boat so to say!

As for hunger at 30 i doubt your hormones are raging like they did at 18+ so relax chill and now be content in the fact you dont need a women, but you desire them! it is a better way to be, in that you can be more choosie and not 100% controlled by your little buddie down below.
30 year old men + are actually very very desirable.
 
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Wow man thanks much for the advice. That was great I feel much better.
Well said and put u really put things in perspective for me. MY mind set has been very negative lately. :up:
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I could pick many in my mid 20s (if I wanted too). And now at 38 I'm better (considering that I'm considerably more picky), because I have the resources ($$$, house, vehicles, career/social, experience). Having those resources open the doors for you to go to places that you couldn't go in your 20s due to $$$ or the correct connections.

The reason I'm better is because now I can pick them on the most mundane of places (plubic transportation, library, book stores, clothes stores, etc.). And now they offer their telephone numbers too. In my 20s...things were limited to the bars and beach. Were ANYONE can pick a woman.
 

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xrayman1 said:
And how can I get that hunger back again.
I'll help with this part:

If you're not already, try to exercise most every day. Put you together a workout plan of some sort. I'm not going to say which kind to pick, but i suggest a combination of a cadio workout alternated with a strength building one. Working out keeps your body healthy and primed. Combine this with improving your nutrition.

>Make sure your dress is up to date, including accessories (nice watch, maybe a chain?). If you look good, you'll feel good and more sexy.
 

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xrayman1 said:
DO you think 30 is too old to hang around college campuses?
No, especially if you take a class there. Think of a degree that you might like to have someday, and then take a class toward it. Being in school has made it easy for me to have a steady stream of girls who I would otherwise not have met. The tuition dollars are worth it for this reason alone.
 

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DO you think 30 is too old to hang around college campuses?
Oh HELL no!! :rockon:

Here's where men typically have the advantage over women. Men are only as old as the feel. Women on the other hand are only as old as they look. ;)
 

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Latinoman said:
I could pick many in my mid 20s (if I wanted too). And now at 38 I'm better (considering that I'm considerably more picky), because I have the resources ($$$, house, vehicles, career/social, experience). Having those resources open the doors for you to go to places that you couldn't go in your 20s due to $$$ or the correct connections.

The reason I'm better is because now I can pick them on the most mundane of places (plubic transportation, library, book stores, clothes stores, etc.). And now they offer their telephone numbers too. In my 20s...things were limited to the bars and beach. Were ANYONE can pick a woman.
I whole heartedly agree. :up:
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Oh HELL no!! :rockon:

Here's where men typically have the advantage over women. Men are only as old as the feel. Women on the other hand are only as old as they look. ;)
THis quote made me laugh and is oh so true :) Look at sean connery. Still highly sought after by young women! He acts like he's 20 but looks like he's 70.
 

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I think the main problem is younger guys keep thinking they are young forever and their strategy (or non strategy) for getting women will work forever.

If your depended on good looks for getting women it will lead to a sad end one day. You nevered learn strategy and technique.

I highly respect pick up gurus like David X whose is in his 50's (maybe 60's now?)
who is still picking up younger women.
 

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I think you can still pull in younger women from early to mid 20s (23 years+) if you are looking for someone younger. I'm in my late 20s and I'm dating a girl in her early 20s. My message to guys who are in their mid-late 20s is to seriously start thinking about what partner you want in your life. I'm not saying you can't pull at 30, but the women who are available and SANE start thinning out and all you get is leftover women who don't have all their marbles in.
 

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Freddy1 said:
I think the main problem is younger guys keep thinking they are young forever and their strategy (or non strategy) for getting women will work forever.

If your depended on good looks for getting women it will lead to a sad end one day. You nevered learn strategy and technique.

I highly respect pick up gurus like David X whose is in his 50's (maybe 60's now?)
who is still picking up younger women.
I know a 31 year old who just does that. He has the same haircut as he did when he was 21. He pulls in chicks who are 20-22 then they found out his real age and he gives me excuses like "Man girls are dumb as hell when they're young" which really means "Yeah she dumped my ass when she found out my real age and instead of her seeing me as a real man she just sees me as an immature boy who never grew up" I ask him, I think you should date a woman who is 25 and older and he tells me "Nah dude, they are too old and they got this checklist going!" and I wonder why he is still single. He is more attractive than me, but when it comes to the real deal he lacks it. Even men have an age limit just like women do.
 

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Age is just a number. Anyone who uses it as an excuse or a reason is selling himself or herself short.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Clubs tend to be for a younger crowd, bars that play music but have no dancefloor are for older people. When you get to 30, you can't be arsed dancing.

However as for it being easier or harder, most people who mature (look older) earlier have their best years when they are younger however the ones who mature later tend to have their best years later. Some people look 25 when they are 18, some look 25 when they are 30. Those that matured earlier tend to be a mess by the time they're 30. I think it's better to mature earlier because it means you aren't playing catch-up and it does feel weird going out with a 19 or 20 year old when you are 30 however it's still better than going out with a 30 year old ;-). When you are 30, 25 is a good age.

As for a girl dropping a guy once she finds his true age. I know a guy this happens to too however he "acts" and "looks" young. If you pull a girl who thinks you are older but still good-looking then you won't have this happen as much. Basically she's pissed because he's pretending to be something he's not, no different than him telling her any other lie.
 

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I'm 31 but can pass for early 20's.

Do you look your age?

In my area, bookstores and Wal-Mart is the place to meet women over 30. I get IOI's frequently in these places while going about my usual business.
 

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I know someone that is in his late 30's going out with 18+ year olds.


As for myself I'm in my mid 30's and I still go out and dance. (I think my martial art practices help me keep fit. I know alot of older guys who can really move.) Although I do admit I do look 10 years younger.
 

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I look between 24-26. I do sport at a University's Gym and they just assume I'm one of them (maybe a Phd student), when I tell them they look surprised. I even had one 27 year old woman in a bar when I was 29 say "When you get to my age you will understand", that was funny.

I noticed you said "place to meet women over 30", It's weird you said that because when I turned 30, I started to think I should go for women in their 30s because I am in my 30s. I quickly got out of that mindset and you should too IMO. Not saying you should go after the 21 year olds, I've done that and it's weird especially when you meet the friends. You feel like you're going back in time but it's not quite the same, however younger girls are great for a short term thing and alot of younger guys are very clingy so they are more than willing to get it from an older guy. You're right about bookstores and Wal-Mart however once a woman reaches 30 she will "date" practically ANY guy that asks her, not sleep with but she will give him a date so if you see someone, approach if you get any IOI. Good men are in just as short a supply as good women the older you get, probably shorter because the good men can still get the younger women while the good women can't as much.
 

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Freddy - I don't have any problems with any age difference if the relationship works, even if the relationship is purely sexual.

As for dancing, I still dance too however I tend to go to younger clubs and that's slowly changing. Not because I feel out of place, just because I'm bored with that now, I've been clubbing for 10 years. The party has to end sometime. Most of my 30 something friends are already strickly bar/wine-bar men.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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