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Picking the right day/time to go to clubs.....

sstype

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I have two questions for my fellow club DJs.

I went to a popular club north of Atlanta last Friday. I was able to take home a chick easily that night. I tried the same club again this past week on a saturday night, which is generally the "party" night for most people and therefore more packed. I had no success from approaching early in the night and by the time the club had packed out and was literally impossible to move around, I decided to dip out early.

One thing I noticed on Saturday night was even though there were more girls (and people in general), most of them were celebrating a special occasion like a birthday, bachelorette party, girls night out. On top of that, it was literally impossible to dance on the dance floor with so many people trying to move around.

Whereas the Friday night crowd, though not as many, seemed to be more relaxed, and easier to run standard club game.

Have you guys experienced this as well? Can overcrowdedness hinder your pickup? I'm only making assumptions based on my limited success in this environment

My other question involves managing your time while at the club. I like to arrive before 11 pm to avoid paying the cover charge, but I tend to get fatigued after two hours if I'm not making any headway with my approaches and dip out early. Is it better to arrive later, say around midnight, settle in for about 20-30 mins, and then approach so that you can take advantage of suggesting a venue change when the girls start getting ready to leave around 2:30-3:00 am?

Looking from a high-level perspective, my goal is to spend just one night a week doing this in as few hours as possible. I have too much other stuff going on to let pickup be a full-time effort.

I appreciate your feedback
 

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Good questions here dude. I've got massively into club game in the last year or so- I find I have more way success that way than through the traditional "dating" scene.

Your first point about clubs being harder to work when they are packed out definitely ties in with my experience. It makes it harder to move around, harder to dance, harder to find friends if you lose them, and plus it's generally just not fun. When I started club game, I was going out 4-5 nights per week and just racking up approaches. These days (like you), I want to be more selective so I can find time for friends, working out, work, etc. What I've therefore found myself doing is not going out so much on a Friday or Saturday, because the clubs are just too full, and the crowd is a bit more trashy as well. I prefer to go out on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday instead. Okay, I'm a student and that's when the student nights in clubs take place, but I think you get my point.

I fully agree that if you're not having a good time at a club, or if your sets just aren't hooking after 2 hrs or so, you should call it a night. Everyone has bad days and good days: you gain nothing by forcing things. RE: arrival time: I like arriving early with my friends to acclimatise to the venue, get some good seats, chat to the bouncers and generally make myself feel at home. That way, you can often be in set when the majority of people start arriving between midnight and 1:00- perfect for social proof. Something else I've found helpful in that regard is turning up to the club alreadt accompanied by girls (you can thank my "natural" wingman for this gem). Whether they're wingwomen or targets in their own right, they'll help your social proof, and if they're targets they'll potentially save you a lot of time and energy. Going after friends of friends is the way forward imo.
 

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What clubs do you hit north of atl?
 

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OnTheWayUp said:
Good questions here dude. I've got massively into club game in the last year or so- I find I have more way success that way than through the traditional "dating" scene.

Your first point about clubs being harder to work when they are packed out definitely ties in with my experience. It makes it harder to move around, harder to dance, harder to find friends if you lose them, and plus it's generally just not fun. When I started club game, I was going out 4-5 nights per week and just racking up approaches. These days (like you), I want to be more selective so I can find time for friends, working out, work, etc. What I've therefore found myself doing is not going out so much on a Friday or Saturday, because the clubs are just too full, and the crowd is a bit more trashy as well. I prefer to go out on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday instead. Okay, I'm a student and that's when the student nights in clubs take place, but I think you get my point.

I fully agree that if you're not having a good time at a club, or if your sets just aren't hooking after 2 hrs or so, you should call it a night. Everyone has bad days and good days: you gain nothing by forcing things. RE: arrival time: I like arriving early with my friends to acclimatise to the venue, get some good seats, chat to the bouncers and generally make myself feel at home. That way, you can often be in set when the majority of people start arriving between midnight and 1:00- perfect for social proof. Something else I've found helpful in that regard is turning up to the club alreadt accompanied by girls (you can thank my "natural" wingman for this gem). Whether they're wingwomen or targets in their own right, they'll help your social proof, and if they're targets they'll potentially save you a lot of time and energy. Going after friends of friends is the way forward imo.
Thanks for your feedback. Weeknights are bad for me due to work so I guess Friday nights will have to do for now. Often, I'm ready to approach soon after I show up, so i don't really need the "warm-up" phase I guess to get pumped.
 

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yeah it can hinder your pickup but only if you let it. I think it's the same issue as loud music effecting game, in which case you'd probably be advised to talk louder.

I think the warming up is important. If you're there from 11 to 3, the crowdedness won't be as bad because you'll ease into it.
If you arrive at 12:30 or 1 AM then you're going to be squished upon entry of the club.

You can use the crowd to your advantage too. It'll be easy to disappear from a girls sight, letting her wonder where you went. It'll be easier to press your body against hers. U can use other people to seem important, or talk to girls to make girls jealous. Maybe trying to lead another group, like mystery and style tell you to do.
 
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