"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Pick up at club and she messages me next day

Wildebeest

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Hey,

Just out for a boys night last night, wasnt really trying to pick up. We were drinking heavily, I had about 4 pints of beer. We're in a place with a massive sausage ratio, only 5 girls and like 20 guys.

Just for the record, I dont do cold approaches at all.

My friend challenges me to go and chat with 3 girls across from us. lol I just realised that they could have sat in many other empty seats away from us, but instead they chose to sit next to us. Pretty much an approach invitation in hindsight.

Wasnt heaps attracted to any of them off the bat, 2 were average, and 1 was cute. I did this as a challenge to myself and for some fun. Even if I get blown out, I would just laugh at myself.

I ask if their seat is taken, and they say no, positively. I sit down, and make a joke about the sausage ratio, I tell them I like their odds and theyre outnumbered 6 to 1. They all smile/laugh. One of them does most of the talking, the redhead, who is the motherhen. There is a cute looking blonde who is a little chubby, but has a nice face. And a quiet brunette, who is 'sick' and doesnt say anything.

We banter back and forth. The motherhen challenges me multiple times in different ways, but I demonstrate they cant affect me, I laugh along and tease them back. The conversation doesnt really stop, just good vibing. . I didnt bring them into the convo, never occured to me. All of my 3 friends are taken, except one of them, maybe I should have just brought him in, to disarm the hen. But hes an inexperienced wingman.

I chat with the girls for about 30-40 minutes, then my friends (across from me), want to venue change. The girls tell me where theyre going, we're going some where else. We exchange pleasantries and we leave. We go to the other place, we stay for an hour. Then my mate wants us to go the place the girls were going. I didnt really care...probably why im single. So we go there, and my mate finds them on the dance floor LOL.

The sick brunette went home, and its just the redhead and the blonde left. My and my good looking mate (taken) start dancing next to them, while we all make eyes and laugh at each other. My mate disarms the redhead chick for me by dancing with her and I dance with the blonde.

We have a break, and get a drink. We come back, and start dancing near them again. The blonde is getting hit on by some random single guy (dancing), and rejects him in front of us with body language. My mate who is a natural keeps whispering in my ear about how much the blonde girl is into me, turns out he is dead on the money.

I start actually dancing with her, like spinning her a few times, and dancing while holding her hands. I dont know what im doing but I make it fun, and shes loving it. She laughs at my dancing, and we keep mucking around for like 20min. Then its just us, our friends have taken their leave for a reason or another. I stop her, and drag her over to the side of the dance floor. And I go in for the kiss, we makeout for a good 12-15 seconds, and I pull out first. Shes smiling. She starts asking me questions about what I do and such.

Her friend is outside the place, and is hasseling her with text messages. I take her hand and lead her out. She says she has to go home with her friend. So I try to get her number but my phone is being retarded and she sees that. Instead I give her my number and she puts it into her phone. She doesnt want to kiss me because her friend is watching. They leave.

I didnt actually expect her to contact me, because I know girls get apprehensive after hooking up at a club.

The next day, today, in the afternoon, shes messages me.
"Hey, its Ness from the ***/***.
Hope you had a good night and not too hungover haha.
Twas nice to meet you."

I wait half an hour to reply.
"Hey, had a great night hah.
I still felt drunk when I woke up. Yes it was nice to meet you too,
we should hang out sometime."

no reply for a couple of hours

I wasnt heaps attracted but I think shes cute. She has a nice face and a little chubby.

So if I want to see her, whats my next step? how do I play this?

In my other unrelated thread, I ask for help also.
Im also doing a little online dating, I mention in my other thread. Im trying to create options for myself. very inexperienced and im 23.

http://sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=189996


Will
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Wildebeest said:
We were drinking heavily, I had about 4 pints of beer.
You call that heavy? :eek:

Wildebeest said:
no reply for a couple of hours
What did her reply say? If she sounded warm to the idea of hanging then arrange a meet up. If you want to go for coffee tell her that, if you want to walk around a shopping centre (mall) do that. Do whatever you want to do and if she is into you enough, she'll go along with it.
 

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yea im a lightweight with drinking, but that isnt relevant I dont think

She never replied at all
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Wildebeest said:
yea im a lightweight with drinking, but that isnt relevant I dont think

She never replied at all
Don't feel the need to message her again, if she has high interest I am sure she will contact you. You've already suggested meeting up, don't message the girl twice.
 

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I didnt send her another message

is she playing games? I think its likely.

Its a little strange, she displays high interest by taking initiative, and I think im rewarding her by telling her id like to see her again...and she goes cold? so weird. she seeing if I act desperate and msg her?
 

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Wait for her to respond. Don't text or call her for a couple days.

If she texts you back, immediately pick up the phone and call her. The sound of your voice will rekindle those positive emotions she felt with you. Chat for a few minutes and ask her out.

If she doesn't text you back, text her "I just met your twin" on Tuesday around 9pm. This always gets a response. Once she texts you back, immediately pick up the phone and call her. Chat for a few minutes and ask her out.

Let us know how it goes captain.
 
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Wildebeest said:
yea im a lightweight with drinking, but that isnt relevant I dont think

She never replied at all
I'm a lightweight, two beers and I'm tipsy, four beers and I'm drunken, six pints and I'm putting £20 notes into a stripper's G-string, and then I carry on drinking some more.

She never replied at all? Oh well, that is the common case when pulling at a bar/club. You often need to seal the deal there and then or the chance is often gone afterwards.
 

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Well, my opinion is for you to do nothing until she answers your text. You did a good job. However, to be perfect (in my oppinion, of course), instead or writing "... Yes it was nice to meet you too, we should hang out sometime." I would have answer "...I know it was! We should hang out sometime."

Let us know the updates.


Take care!
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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she waits almost exactly 24 hours from my previous text,
" Yeah sounds good "
 

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do I just ring her whenever and ask her for coffee?
any other ideas or is that cool?

I have not been on many dates, but I already have attraction and comfort built with this girl from the first night
 
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She doesn't come across as being particularly interested. You should have struck will the iron was hot, should have grinded with her, should have gotten off with her, left a bit of an impression. I'd just move on mate, just use this as a learning curve, if nothing else.
 

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that doesnt sound right to me, no offense, im sure you know more than me.

I never had her number, she could have never seen me again, but instead she messaged me and said she had a great night.

For me theres 2 possibilities,
1. shes a little interested
2. shes very interested and is playing it cool/ busy

To me, her not being interested at all doesnt figure in here at all.
As for hitting when the iron was hot, its been 1/2 a week.

I think you're too used to telling guys to move on lol.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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ill tell you what,
instead of that last post just potentially being me mentally masturbating my ego,
ill ring her today and let you know
 

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"we should hang out sometime" is too vague

next time have a time and a place for the meet

don't defer to her

as the man, you are expected to have the plan

be the aggressor and the initiator
 

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im making a plan now
up until 2 months ago, I had never made out with a girl or taken a girl on a date, im 23

so far im made out with 3 girls while drunk, and been on 2 dates
 

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I just rang her, we were both a little awkward but I lead through it.
She was giggling slightly, like pacifying, so I think her interest is still high.

I just small talked, then asked her for coffee not far from where I know she generally lives. She said yes, but she asked me to remind her ? It is on saturday afternoon at 3 oclock at a coffee place she knows.
When she asked for a reminder, I asked if she was forgetful or something. Then I repeated Saturday at 3.

Do I send her a reminder text message on the day, or do I just go to the agreed location/time?

Is her asking me to remind her a way of her gauging my interest? or am I a paranoid parrot?
 

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when I asked her if shes forgetful, it wasnt a scolding tone, it was probably firm, but gentle I think...im not sure how I said it.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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