Philippine PUA den crumbles

[ken chang]

I heard about this story from a PUA friend of mine. He knew about a PUA den somewhere in the provinces, and the two of us were interested in meeting other guys there to go sarging with, widen social circles, learn from, etc.

He had been texting a member there for a while now when one day the member told him that the den had been disbanded.

The reason? Everybody in the den was either trying to AMOG or out alpha male each other(and sadly I see a little of that going on in the DJ Discussion Forum). Finally, they couldn't stand the arrogance of each other and they called it quits.

This happens often, doesn't it? What's up with that? We were all at one time AFCs and we're all still learning, so why the need to bully fellow geeks? I think we have enough competition out there from the jocks, the jerks, the pretty boys, the rich kids, the bisexuals, and the lesbians without having to take on each other.

There's plenty of HB for everyone. We should be learning from each other's experiences and offering constructive criticisms, instead.

 

[Solomon]

Good topic

I heard about this story from a PUA friend of mine. He knew about a PUA den somewhere in the provinces, and the two of us were interested in meeting other guys there to go sarging with, widen social circles, learn from, etc.

He had been texting a member there for a while now when one day the member told him that the den had been disbanded.

The reason? Everybody in the den was either trying to AMOG or out alpha male each other(and sadly I see a little of that going on in the DJ Discussion Forum). Finally, they couldn't stand the arrogance of each other and they called it quits.

This happens often, doesn't it? What's up with that? We were all at one time AFCs and we're all still learning, so why the need to bully fellow geeks? I think we have enough competition out there from the jocks, the jerks, the pretty boys, the rich kids, the bisexuals, and the lesbians without having to take on each other.

There's plenty of HB for everyone. We should be learning from each other's experiences and offering constructive criticisms, instead.

Agreed

The problem with "The Game" though, it brings power hungry individuals who want accolades, and "guru worship" you see this all the time with charlatans who have sprung up in the community, and espeically this site. They always think its "their way" of gaming that's the best, ironical these guys are just in it for themselves and their egos tend to be massive. If you don't agree with them then well its an all out flame war (I'm speaking from experience)

I've posted many times in the past about "den" (or lairs as their callled) horror stories, and honestly I truly believe that, guys are better of finding a guy(s) who are naturals or better yet humble "Gamers". Yes a lot of naturals have ego's but they have the game to back it up, on top of that if you do meet some naturals who are a bit older, they can give you priceless advice and tend to be more humble then someone whose got a chip on their shoulder and something to prove

I've met more then a handful of community guys, and I only had an issue with one of them(he threw me under the boss in front of a gal and her boyfriend, to make himself look good) but in my experience most community guys I met are pretty good guys.

 

[zekko]

Everybody in the den was either trying to AMOG or out alpha male each other

I could definitely see this happen. The community tells you to be the alpha male, but there can only be one alpha male. So a bunch of PUAs get together and they tool each other out and all try to lead.

The community tells you to go after the girl you want, so a lot of guys target the same chick because they all want the hottest one. Too many cooks spoiling the broth. You're probably better off going it alone, with some friends, or with a trusted wing.

 

[backbreaker]

i never did get the group going out thing. stupid stupid stupid. if you are afraid to go out alone, you have bigger issues then picking up women.

rarely did i used to go out with people, who ****block, get jealous, hit on the same women and are just sometimes party poopers. one of the last times i went out while single i went to the bathroom and a girl asked the guy i was with was i single, and he said no (i was spinning plates at the time). i did not find out until she befriended me like 2 hours later.

 

[ken chang]

Agreed

The problem with "The Game" though, it brings power hungry individuals who want accolades, and "guru worship" you see this all the time with charlatans who have sprung up in the community, and espeically this site. They always think its "their way" of gaming that's the best, ironical these guys are just in it for themselves and their egos tend to be massive. If you don't agree with them then well its an all out flame war (I'm speaking from experience)

Sadly, I was guilty of this once, too. A veteran PUA friend of mine introduced me to a newbie and I acted so "all knowing". It was such an ego boost. But afterwards, I felt like such a total fake. I will never do that again. Since then, I only give advice based on my experiences and when I meet someone who needs help, I point them to the DJ bible.

 

[bigjohnson]

I heard about this story from a PUA friend of mine. He knew about a PUA den somewhere in the provinces, and the two of us were interested in meeting other guys there to go sarging with, widen social circles, learn from, etc.

If you need "Game" in the PI you're doing something wrong. When I'm over there the real trick is being able to complete a simple task like getting a haircut without a dozen cute filipinas trying to get asked out and getting in my way.

Shooting fish in a barrel with a shotgun and dynamite.

 

[ken chang]

If you need "Game" in the PI you're doing something wrong. When I'm over there the real trick is being able to complete a simple task like getting a haircut without a dozen cute filipinas trying to get asked out and getting in my way.

Shooting fish in a barrel with a shotgun and dynamite.

Dude, what country are you from? Filipinas will flock to you only if you're a foreigner. If you're a native, you still need GAME.

I'm assuming it's the same for any country. I have a friend who's fat, short, and so ugly, girls here avoid him like the plague. He goes over to Europe and BANG! Instant playboy. I guess it's because he's unique over there.

 

[guytime]

Great post. I'll try to keep this in mind this weekend.

i never did get the group going out thing. stupid stupid stupid. if you are afraid to go out alone, you have bigger issues then picking up women.

rarely did i used to go out with people, who ****block, get jealous, hit on the same women and are just sometimes party poopers. one of the last times i went out while single i went to the bathroom and a girl asked the guy i was with was i single, and he said no (i was spinning plates at the time). i did not find out until she befriended me like 2 hours later.

 

[bigjohnson]

Dude, what country are you from? Filipinas will flock to you only if you're a foreigner. If you're a native, you still need GAME.

I'm assuming it's the same for any country. I have a friend who's fat, short, and so ugly, girls here avoid him like the plague. He goes over to Europe and BANG! Instant playboy. I guess it's because he's unique over there.

So I guess your theory is that if you came to America you'd be in demand because you're a foreigner? I sort of doubt it but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Maybe some nationals have a certain mystique in certain places or with certain groups, more likely.

 

[ken chang]

So I guess your theory is that if you came to America you'd be in demand because you're a foreigner? I sort of doubt it but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Maybe some nationals have a certain mystique in certain places or with certain groups, more likely.

Haha! No, Not in America. I read a post somewhere here before that a lot of women in America have become "man haters".

My friend tells me that European women are wild. I will try my luck there one day and find out for myself. I will let you know what happens.

As for Filipinas, far as I can observe, YES, they will spread their legs for any foreigner. I have an HB10 co-worker who brought her old, fat, ugly American boyfriend and she was the envy of every girl in the company.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though, too.

Next time you visit, bring your ugliest friend with no game, and let's see if he scores an HB10 Filipina.

 

[bigjohnson]

Next time you visit, bring your ugliest friend with no game, and let's see if he scores an HB10 Filipina.

I'll be running that experiment next month.

 

[DJDamage]

This happens often, doesn't it? What's up with that? We were all at one time AFCs and we're all still learning, so why the need to bully fellow geeks? I think we have enough competition out there from the jocks, the jerks, the pretty boys, the rich kids, the bisexuals, and the lesbians without having to take on each other.

Most PUA's are still AFC's at heart, if you ever read the book "The Game" you will find that those who teach are often tripping over their own power to a point where they turn off those around them. I remember once I attended this free PUA seminar (I won't name which one but its no one famous, they are just self proclaim PUA artists) just to see what it was for my own eyes and basically what I saw was plain thin dorks (some very feminine looking to a point you could mistaken them for gay dudes) running around screaming with excitment and acting like they were the sh1t. I remember how unhappy they were when I debunked some of their ideas with my own questions because they are so used to having clueless guys running around like soldiers obeying them while they act like they were the drill sargents. One of the PUA instructors got frustrated that my questions made the PUA method that they were running seemed weak, that he tried to AMOG me by telling me "ok that was a good question! now high five!" all while lifting his hand out waiting for me to high five him, at which point I replied "sorry I am not your dancing monkey". Needless to say I was asked to leave and I left while laughing my ass off out the door.

 

[Solomon]

Most PUA's are still AFC's at heart, if you ever read the book "The Game" you will find that those who teach are often tripping over their own power to a point where they turn off those around them. I remember once I attended this free PUA seminar (I won't name which one but its no one famous, they are just self proclaim PUA artists) just to see what it was for my own eyes and basically what I saw was plain thin dorks (some very feminine looking to a point you could mistaken them for gay dudes) running around screaming with excitment and acting like they were the sh1t. I remember how unhappy they were when I debunked some of their ideas with my own questions because they are so used to having clueless guys running around like soldiers obeying them while they act like they were the drill sargents. One of the PUA instructors got frustrated that my questions made the PUA method that they were running seemed weak, that he tried to AMOG me by telling me "ok that was a good question! now high five!" all while lifting his hand out waiting for me to high five him, at which point I replied "sorry I am not your dancing monkey". Needless to say I was asked to leave and I left while laughing my ass off out the door.

Damage what types of questions were you asking? and why didn't you agree with the method? just curious

 

[DJDamage]

Damage what types of questions were you asking? and why didn't you agree with the method? just curious

Well I won't go to specifics because I prefer to be in an anonymity plus they made me sign a legal waiver saying that I won't be revealing their secrets with others :crackup:

I didn't agree with their methods because they preached about giving women compliments upon meeting them right off the bat. My guess it was a way for them to appear legit for social retards who can't even approach a girl and if they compliment a girl nicely right off the bat then in all likelyhood the girl will smile at them while giving them false hope in the process, but in reality her vagina would dry up faster then superglue.

 

[ken chang]

I'll be running that experiment next month.

Cool! Can't wait. Feeling a little guilty now though. Hope we're not being too cruel by turning your friend into a lab rat.

 

[ken chang]

Most PUA's are still AFC's at heart, if you ever read the book "The Game" you will find that those who teach are often tripping over their own power to a point where they turn off those around them. I remember once I attended this free PUA seminar (I won't name which one but its no one famous, they are just self proclaim PUA artists) just to see what it was for my own eyes and basically what I saw was plain thin dorks (some very feminine looking to a point you could mistaken them for gay dudes) running around screaming with excitment and acting like they were the sh1t. I remember how unhappy they were when I debunked some of their ideas with my own questions because they are so used to having clueless guys running around like soldiers obeying them while they act like they were the drill sargents. One of the PUA instructors got frustrated that my questions made the PUA method that they were running seemed weak, that he tried to AMOG me by telling me "ok that was a good question! now high five!" all while lifting his hand out waiting for me to high five him, at which point I replied "sorry I am not your dancing monkey". Needless to say I was asked to leave and I left while laughing my ass off out the door.

Yeah, I read about that part in "The Game". They crumbled, too. So if making "lairs" and going to seminars is a bad idea, what's the best thing an AFC should do? My opinion is to get experience, like I'm doing. But that is a very painful process.