"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Persistence

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Men PURSUE women, it's nature's order of things; right?

We know that women want to be pursued, however how does a persistent man act and not have it be OVERDONE? Where does the persistence line become blurred to clingy/stalkerish? How does the game come into play when you are being persistent.

(There's another thread similar, however it does not address this issue IMO)
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Mavrick

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You become clingy when you pursue a woman that's showing that she's not interested in you. You pursue women that are interested, and she'll do the same, but when she stops being interested, you're pursuit becomes clingyness/stalkerish.
 

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These stuff need to be calibrated...in general though if your a high value guy then you can continue to be persistent and get away with it.

I your not high value, especially in her eyes then you can come off creepy...

It really comes down to whether your giving your power away and just bing reactive trying to get her to respond....if your doing that then persistent can turn into creepy.

Everything can have a fine line between creepy and not creepy
 

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I'm in the situation right now of that same type of thing. I am persistent, and this girl said NO, but I dont think her no was a TOTAL no. The only reason it was at the moment was cause she has a boyfriend.

She's getting to know me better, interact with me more, and she is confused. Hmmm...Maybe my NO was too quick.

She's seeing that I am better than her man, and today for the first time she spoke to me first in a txt.

She is shopping very much so, and is not afraid to do so.

She told me last week....you dont give up do you? I said NOPE. :)

The thing is with this girl is that I can keep her interest, and she wants to know more, and I mess with her so much her emotions are getting the best of her.

She doesn't lay it on the table, but its very noticeable by the way she talks to me.

Snow Plowman is right. If you aren't high value, you have no chance. You also have to tweak it accordingly.

Just dont act like a sick puppy dog, and be as nice as possible.

Keep her guessing about you, and reveal little by little and see what happens. I will tell this girl I like the way her hair is one day, be kind of nice, and the next minute i'll tell her to shut her pie hole, and that she's an ass. And boy does she like it.

One minute I can get this woman to be pissed at me, and the next I can get her to be all nice.

I think if she makes it REALLY clear to go away, then you should stop. I personally dont believe a NO always means NO. Sometimes a woman says no, then 2 months later they want you cause for some reason you've triggered something in her, or got her interest when you initially didnt.

I had this happen to me in the opposite way. REALLY liked a girl, and man I wanted to go out with her, be with her, etc etc. Now, I really could care less. I dont know if it was her attitude or what, but after a few months I really wanted nothing to do with her.

She could ask me to go out and i'd say.... Nah.... I dont think so. But 6 months ago I would have said yes in a heart beat.

Women's emotions and feelings can change so much more and quicker.

I'm sure you've had times you've said no to a woman then later wanted to say yes, or wanted one who said no, then later you realized you really didnt want her anyway.

The one I am after I never really thought i'd like her this much. The first time I saw her, I said hi, went about my business and never really thought much about her. Time went by and I just started liking her more and more and more, to the point where it just dumbfounds me I went to Ehhh....to.... DAMN!

Something does it for me with this girl, and more so as time goes by.

You have to experiment and that's all I can say. If you can keep her interested then you may be surprised at the outcome. I just reveal more and more about me little by little to see if she keeps staying interested.

But make note, that you shouldn't waste months and months. Dont put all your eggs in one basket. It may even be that you date someone else, and then this girl sees what she didnt before, and then wants a relationship. Just dont wait forever for a woman. Not worth it even if you REALLY like her.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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