"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Pedestal?

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Just want your take on this.

When ol' 5string married Mrs.5string, we settled on plain white gold wedding bands. Fine with me, and it was actually her choice. I had not given her an engagement ring. As far as material things are concerned, we pretty much have it all. I asked her if someone were to say something about such a plain band, how would she respond. She simply said, "I'll show them my house" which is very nice by the way.

Anyway, I took her out yesterday to take care of some things, and ended up buying her a beautiful enagement ring, the one she never had. Mrs.5string was thrilled. She even called me this morning and told me how much she loved it and that she didn't need it, could not believe I bought it for her, blah blah.

So do you think I put her on a pedestal? Would you have done this? I suppose to an extent, I did put her on a pedestal, but can you not do that to a degree when you are married? I mean she waits on me constantly, the sex and companionship are great and I still run the show and lead the household.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Hey thanks Danger.

You know, I have always been one that does things when the mood strikes me, and it did yesterday. I could have waited until Xmas but that's not my style. So, I guess I did do it on my own terms. It was much more of a "moment" as she had no idea what was to about to happen.

Priceless.
 

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I don't think doing something like that is putting her on a pedastal at all. Do you feel like it was "transactional" in nature?

Nothing wrong with doing great things for a women out of the blue, but my hard and fast rule is that it should be connected with good behavior on her part, as a means of anchoring.

Sounds like you're trackin' pretty good, my man.
 

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Hi.... I am new one out here...Just joined the forum and opened up this thread.... I want to know that what discussion is being done out here... And what are we supposed to post in here... I shall be grateful on your assistance... Looking forward for positive response and Thanking in advance!!
 

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the issue with "putting women on a pedestal" is not so much doing **** for a woman, it's in the nature that it's done in, i.e doing things in the expectation/hope getting something (a relationship, happiness, sex) in return.

you did not do this, you REWARDED your wife with something she wanted. there is nothing wrong with that.

lol, my wife is spoiled ****less. but she is so because she's a good wife. I like doing nice things for my wife becuase she does nice things for me and provides me with what i want/need and then some. I'm not doing so out of some hope that if i do x or y for her i'm going to get laid or i'm going to keep her happy.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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backbreaker said:
the issue with "putting women on a pedestal" is not so much doing **** for a woman, it's in the nature that it's done in, i.e doing things in the expectation/hope getting something (a relationship, happiness, sex) in return.

you did not do this, you REWARDED your wife with something she wanted. there is nothing wrong with that.

lol, my wife is spoiled ****less. but she is so because she's a good wife. I like doing nice things for my wife becuase she does nice things for me and provides me with what i want/need and then some. I'm not doing so out of some hope that if i do x or y for her i'm going to get laid or i'm going to keep her happy.
That's great! Sounds like you have one fine marriage brother. Mrs.5string is still all giddy about her engagement ring, even this AM. She had said she really didnt care about it until I gave it to her. Then she told me how much it truly meant to her once it was on her finger. She's been showing it off to her GF's. Heck, she deserved it. When I think about it, I have been the one who's had my tight a$$ perched on a pedestal. Love it.
 
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