"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Paying on dates.

underwarez

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Whenever I ask a girl out, I feel obligated to pay. For example, when I took the last one to a restaurant, when the bill came I said '...I got this'. How do I get a girl to pay on a date or even pay for me? How do other people get chix to pay?
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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DJ Alejandro

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don't sweat it.

got the same problem before. dont sweat it too much. first things first, maybe you shouldn't get it too formal when u ask her.

as for me, i 'ask' her by saying im gonna go here so ur welcome to come stuff. or sumthn along the lines of that. that would make me a 'gentleman' by paying cuz I was the one who invited her.

but maybe if you went out like just casual like 'im hungry, are you?' type, maybe that would get her to pay for hers.

remembering another post, it said that maybe you should come a little late and let her wait a bit and then when she buys coffee or sumthn, tell her, "why didn't u buy me one too?" in a smiling way, of course. that worked for me.

just my experiences.
 
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Every girl I date seems to be poor, a student, or expects guys to pay!:(
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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I don't know if you guys are upset about the amount you are paying or that women seldom take the initiative to take the check. If it's the former, just don't go to places that are beyond your budget. For the latter, it's normal protocol for the requestor to plan and orchestrate whatever is necessary to complete the date, this includes payment. The objection to this is if the sharing of these things is agreed to when the plans are being made.

For me, I didn't take anyone to a major dinner date until after we were both well beyond the qualification stage and felt that there was some type of mutual commitment. Otherwise, the dates were always casual; coffee, a matinée, comedy of dance club, bicycling, bowling etc. Note that these things are relatively inexpensive and I occasionally preface things by saying, "Let's go to the club, first round is on me."

Now people may feel that a situation like that would be difficult to do in most cases. Remember that I had previously qualified the woman previously and part of that process is determining if she is a giver. Also, I have realized that women who are of a giving nature are very receptive to guys that "share" in the dynamics of the relationship. Sometimes it takes a little coaching like DJ Alejandro's coffee example. I have successfully used the same line.

One last thing, for a woman to be giving does not necessarily mean that she has to have a lot of money. She just needs to make attempts to contribute to the relationship. PL, I understand that students are strapped for cash, that's the norm. However do any of them initiate the date? Do they give you homemade gifts or even cook for you. Things like that are signs of a giver, it isn't how much they spend, it's the thought and effort that goes into it.

Qualifying the woman as soon as possible and not following the standard pattern of the "let's go out to dinner" type dates does work. Step out of the box and do things differently.
 
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