- part of the feminine imperative is to subconsciously 'train' a man -

[backseatjuan]

....part of the feminine imperative is to subconsciously 'train' a man.

And that 'training' involves breaking a man down slowly until he becomes slave - like, with him thinking its part of proving his love.

However once that's achieved, she loses her admiration towards him and ultimately her respect.

Once that's lost, you're lost her love.

 

[Epic Days]

Yes. It goes deeper as well. A man volunteers for his own slavery. In fact, he seeks it out. Forever trying to get back to his land of love and caring.

At least two women I was seeing have told me that some men suckle on a breast like they are a little baby. Not like a hungry man like he should be. It turns them off and they will bounce.

The modern man is a train wreck. The purpose of a woman is her femininity to offset his aggression, sex and/or having and rearing his children.

 

[backseatjuan]

If you look why people divorce, I think this is it what said @Spaz

 

[Atom Smasher]

I would amend that by saying most women.

That's why I always say, go for the upper 2%, but to do that you must strive to be upper 2% yourself.

 

[Epic Days]

I would amend that by saying most women.

That's why I always say, go for the upper 2%, but to do that you must strive to be upper 2% yourself.

I haven’t decided if it’s the upper 2% of men controlling the situation and the woman is molding or if there is a top 2% of women.
But I’m open to discussion.

 

[Spaz]

I would amend that by saying most women.

That's why I always say, go for the upper 2%, but to do that you must strive to be upper 2% yourself.

You might be right or partially right.

That statement I made on another thread was based on my own experience and observations when in an LTR.

When I'm in an LTR, I'd have almost zero shiet tests, the only exception is when it's near the shelf life (due to me subconsciously not leading her, removing my strengths/protection).

Those women would often remarked that their previous relationships were marred by lots of fights, when probed deeper, I find that those men lack depth and were often tested.

In ur case, from my own experience with women, I suspect that you're attained a considerable amount of depths mentally, spiritually and physically.

And ur current woman has subconsciously molded herself to meet it's standards.

 

[Spaz]

If you look why people divorce, I think this is it what said @Spaz

Yes and that makes men responsible.

If they take in masculine women as their wife then they the man must have even higher masculinity to supersede hers, ultimately reverting her own self in her natural state.

The thing is, masculinity yearns for femininity so there's little to no chance of a manly man being attracted enough to marry a masculine woman even if she looks, walks and talks like a goddess unless she molds into her natural state.

 

[backseatjuan]

@Spaz men merry first one available
First one that tolerates him

Plz talk more.. for you are the pook of our times

 

[Epic Days]

I think some men point a finger to the “female imperative” a bit too much.

All people, of both sexes, in virtually any situation will have a natural tendency or preference to follow the path of least resistance, or, to make any adjustments deemed necessary to make situations more comfortable for themselves.

LTRs are not exempt, and neither are men in avoiding similar behavior. This website itself is a forum geared up to employ an imperative of our own as men pertaining to women; to find less resistive ways, to mold to our liking, to make efforts more comfortable for ourselves....

I am not denying the existence of a “female imperative” nor am I here to debate its meaning. But it is not uncommon for men to blame the feminine imperative for their woes with women when it can often end up being a derivative of his own inability to establish his own imperative to strike a proper balance that can sustain a LTR without mounting tensions of resentment or emasculation eventually coming to play.

Example: I have a woman who is and always has been sexually submissive. She is attracted to my dominance in these acts. she will sometimes resist certain new things she is not experienced in that would please me, but with the proper “easing in” to these new things, rather than forcing them upon her, she will eventually submit entirely to the act. This leaves virtually nothing off of the table. This is my imperative, and she fulfills it.

She has on numerous occasions attempted to regulate and limit some of these acts by trying to establish them as “rewards” for proper behavior, rather than an act of full submission at my disposal.

Many men will point to such an example and scream about sexual manipulation and the female imperative, others will simply cave in and play along.

But my response was different.

I let her know, in such situations, that such forms of resistance and bartering will only lead to me wanting it more, being more aggressive and will only lead to more regular occurrences of these acts.
It is only when I am satisfied that I will provide her with the respect, decency, space and appreciation to the extent I do not abuse her and she gets the limitations she desires on these acts to begin with.

We both get what we want by giving back to each other in certain ways that strike a sustainable balance of comfort and the least amount of resistance. I can have what I want of her on demand, yet I do not revel so often in these acts like a man who hasn’t gotten laid in years. She gets the limitation she wants on these acts that are for my pleasure far more so than it is for hers.

If I did not have the fortitude to handle such situations properly, either I end up being “trained and manipulated” or she ends up feeling used and neglected.

We all have an imperative. It is actually uncommon for them to be evil or manipulative, unless the one on the receiving end of it is too weak to counter it for a healthy balance. It is only then it often takes a darker turn when let go long enough to become a normal act of comfort for the manipulator, which is true for either of the sexes.

Ponder all that some more.

 

[lamath]

From my experience this is true.

Not sure if its because im a easy going/chill person.

But women always find way to find fault about me, even when im acting like the perfect BF. From my side of things i only do this when issue is a serious one. I guess my easy going/chillness can be seen as weakness, until they see that i dont tolerate needless drama.

Why cant the replicate this is beyond me, i guess its their need for drama,

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes and that makes men responsible.

If they take in masculine women as their wife then they the man must have even higher masculinity to supersede hers, ultimately reverting her own self in her natural state.

The thing is, masculinity yearns for femininity so there's little to no chance of a manly man being attracted enough to marry a masculine woman even if she looks, walks and talks like a goddess unless she molds into her natural state.

Your masculinity should exceed hers if she likes that. Some women desire a man to control. There are true lesbian women attracted to women. Their are asexuals. There are bi. There are feminine women. Theres so many different types the blanket statement is not true.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I disagree, that is an ego-based blue pill self ideation. The top character women pair bond from sex, that simple.

No, it's a practical, real-world concept that yields results. The problem is that most men cannot conceive of becoming a quality upper 2% man.

Blue pill ideation? Explain. How is outright eliminating 98% of women blue pill?

My observation is that generally, the lower the class of woman, the more she needs sex to pair bond. Higher-level women have a more balanced view of sex, hence the lower-class man's inability to fathom how she can walk away from casual sex. He regards her as a stuck-up b!itch, never realizing that she is light years out of his league.

The class of woman I am referring to is not wealthy, not necessarily socially well-connected. She is simply a giving, submissive yet intelligent woman who is in touch with her femininity and who understands and accepts masculinity. 100% of these women barely ever watch TV or movies. Therefore they escape the media brainwashing that has destroyed most.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Contrary to your rather myopic view, it is simple common sense that a woman of character is going to seek out a man of character. A woman of character actually has good judgment in men, hence their rarity (they are all scooped up young by men of character). This dynamic is completely invisible to the average man.

Why would a woman of character date down? She can't. Why wouldn't she be selective? She has to. Why is the math so hard for you to comprehend? I've never said that a man has to "earn" her. But he does have to put himself in her league in order to be desirable to her.

I guess you're a run 'n gun guy, and that's fine. More power to you. I'm a relationship guy.

For a man who develops himself into the best version of himself he can be, the world is his oyster. He has his pick of upper echelon women. The man who neglects to develop himself is left with the average and dregs.

I've never seen a guy so prone to put words in other's mouths. I see you doing that a lot around here. Think a little deeper.

I'll spell it out:
A man doesn't base his value by "earning" a woman. Classy women are a perk for men who have actively brought themselves to a high level by addressing their weaknesses and exploiting their strengths. By actually changing themselves for the better at a core level. Women, however, are a mirror. You don't like that, perhaps because you don't like what the women you deal with reflect.

Just as there is something clearly wrong with an average man being seen with an obviously inferior (ugly) woman, so is it when an authentic, well-developed man is seen with an average woman.

I repeat that women are mirrors.

My little "blue pill" life has become pretty good when it comes to women. I must be some kind of fluke, huh? It had nothing to do with my immense efforts to become a quality man? It has everything to do with that. A high-value man gets higher-value women. A man who stays stuck in mediocrity, running around dissipating himself with casual sex, gets precisely what he attracts.

Nothing dissipates a man and affects his psyche negatively more than running around looking for pvssy for its own sake. My observation is that this dynamic blinds men to higher levels of living, and deeper rewards.

It seems blatantly obvious that women of character, that tiny 2%, will not settle for average men. They will literally throw themselves at men whom they can look up to. That has always been my goal... to be a man whom men (first) and women (second) look up to. This is known as the art of influence in my world. Feminism and female insanity become nonexistent when a man gets to the top of his game, because he starts dealing with normalized women, or women who were never destroyed in the first place.

The way to be a top-level man is to will it. To assume it before it's even true of him. To play the role although present so-called "reality" says it isn't so.

Envy blinds and paralyzes, and envy itself is often invisible to its host. Beware the hidden disease of envy, as it's a silent, completely invisible killer, much like high blood pressure on the physical plane. It disguises itself as "knowledge" and "insight". I used to suffer from it when I couldn't even conceive of myself becoming such a man.

To the noobs here: Never feel like you need to "earn" a certain level of woman. Women are icing on the cake of life, a secondary treat that YOU YOURSELF should be in a position to select out of this tiny minority of high-character women. You build yourself up to deserve life's rewards, whatever those rewards might be out of the treasure chest of life, and one of those rewards is a quality woman.

Going after women simply to get laid is truly an exercise in dissipation and as the years go by, this activity and mind set alters a man's ability to see himself as attaining anything better, and even seeing that anything better even exists. There are all sorts of men here on this forum, from all walks of life. Personally I always valued the advice of those who ferociously bettered themselves to be able to reap better rewards.

 

[lamath]

Ok, so you are a self proclaimed 2%er regardless of her. Is that better? Has nothing to do with putting words in your mouth and everything to do with exposing the implications of your statements you refuse to consider. I warn you of building false pride over this women or without her. Do you think what you're saying, you have to be a quality man to get a quality woman, is a rare mindset in society? It's literally the most common mindset.

Most ppl thinks they are quality top 5%
Im a bit more realistic i consider myself top 20%


Either way i think it is a good mindset, because that way you wont tolerate disrespect and will act accordingly.