"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Pain, self-worth and breaking up

countermart

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I have a mate who is a fantastic trader. Over the years I have watched him to try and determine what makes him so good. In the end there were two clear factors in my view:

1) The first was the ability to take pain. He could lose, lose, lose and then come back and still make the next trade. He could take the pain of losing better than any other guy I knew.

2) The second point was self-worth. In no way did he associate the amount of money he had with his self-worth. So he was commonly neutral to the outcome. His self-worth in a trade was not on the line, win or lose. If he made a mistake he did not beat himself up about it. He moved on.

Yes, he did all the other things, worked hard, tried, acted on the opportunity etc, etc, but the above two where the standouts.

Some things I’m working on:

1) The older I get the more I realise that constantly running from or trying to minimise pain may have much larger long term costs. I now try to spend a bit more time deliberately trying to enter the pain zone – working harder, doing it because it’s difficult, taking the risk. Exposing myself to more pain. We need to laugh more in the face of pain and be defiant. It’s called courage.

We need to be able to take the pain and keep coming back.

2) The second thing I am coming to understand is that our time here is very limited. None of us are getting out of this alive. Yet so many of us live like we are going to be around for 1000 years. Your health is worth more money than the capitalisation of all the stocks on the NYSE. In two generations chances are nobody on this board will be remembered. The girls, the victories the defeats all history and forgotten. Nothing matters as much as we commonly think it does. For the younger guys, the older guys here understand that regret or not taking the chance hurts later. The girl you wonder about is the one that smiled at you years ago and you did nothing about it. That hurts, you remember her, you forget the one that rejected you. She’s always the one that comes up to you at the school reunion twenty years later and says “I wish I married a guy like you.”

We need to be willing to take the pain and keep coming back, and we need to act now or the opportunity will be lost.

3) The third thing is that we make all kinds of assumptions about outcomes, about occurrences and we label them as good or bad, likely or unlikely. If she rejected you, you assume she made a good decision. Why? Not assuming her value of you to be correct if it is negative, or that she has a monopoly on judgement, or your value as a person is important. Clearly many things are likely bad, but for many, many other things the answer is we simply do not know. I recall a group of Eastern Block children years ago who won a music prize to fly to the West. It was a great honour the best thing to happen in their lives? No. It was the worst thing that ever happened, the aircraft they were flying in crashed and they were all killed. True wisdom is increased neutrality to outcomes. The assumption is probably wrong.

We need to willing to take the pain, we need to act now or the opportunity will be lost, we need to be more neutral to the outcome, for most things we do not know if the outcome is good or bad, only time will tell. The assumption is probably wrong.

These traits are helpful when dealing with women. For example for those breaking up or thinking about it:

When we break up we naturally assume this is a bad outcome. However, the truth is we do not know the future and therefore we do not know if breaking up or not, is the very worst, or very best thing that ever happened to us. Only the future will tell, and we can influence the future by our actions. Running from the pain may not be beneficial either.

Remember, at the end of the day she has to like you and want to be with you. If she does not, she fails your test and you move on. You should take a relatively neutral view on the result. Do not assume she made a good decision. Take the view that you are now free and you will find a person better than her.

Every guy here who has gone through a bad divorce realises that sometimes the absolute best thing that ever happens to you is breaking up after a few months or years even...way before getting married, babies, the courts etc.

Countermart
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Uberguy

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This one of the best posts I've seen on the boards. Thank you. I only disagree with one part of it.

countermart said:
In two generations chances are nobody on this board will be remembered.
Not if I have anything to say about it. :)
 

DavenJuan

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Originally posted by Countermart
we make all kinds of assumptions about outcomes, about occurrences and we label them as good or bad, likely or unlikely. If she rejected you, you assume she made a good decision. Why? Not assuming her value of you to be correct if it is negative, or that she has a monopoly on judgement, or your value as a person is important. Clearly many things are likely bad, but for many, many other things the answer is we simply do not know.
:up: Great Post brother!
 

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Hi Countermart,
What does your mate think of the market at the moment?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Hi Scaramouche

We think the market remains risky on rising EU CDS spreads, US housing slowing, the need for China to slow given its housing sector price increases and inflation at 3.1%. Also fiscal cut backs and tax increases in the EU are likely to slow the recovery. Many countries have a reduced scope to fiscally stimulate their economies if the global economy does slow again. Disclaimer and all the rest of it.

So we both are basically bearish.

Find a rich girl quick, I'm still looking!

Countermart
 

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Every guy here who has gone through a bad divorce realises that sometimes the absolute best thing that ever happens to you is breaking up after a few months or years even...way before getting married, babies, the courts etc. Great post and great outlook on life! I have to keep reminding myself of what you posted every day.:up:
 

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I agree with others, this is a damn good post and has many truths to it. Feeling that pain makes you appreciate when the smoke and dust has settled. It makes you appear to have grown. I liked it very much!!!! I look forward to my future albeit that it can be uneasy at times.
 

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great post, I have traded treasuries for a living for the past 6 years. agree with your view of the credit markets at the moment.
 

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I would like to build some immunity to pain. So how do I do that now? Especially since I just got dumped my 24 years old ex gf.


And yes I did learn from all of my mistakes, I just need to get over this "pain"... it's driving me :cuss:

btw awesome post!
 
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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