Our beliefs "become true for us"?

[CasanovaFrankenstein]

I was listening to some tapes by Brian Tracy once, and he was talking about how our beliefs "become true for us". He mentioned 2 examples:

1) a senior in HS takes the SAT and finds out that he got a 95 percentile (or something like that I don't remember the exact score he got). He somehow gets the idea that the 95 is his IQ score. 95 being a below average IQ, he starts college thinking he is below average in intelligence and his entire first semester gets D's and F's. His counselor asks him what the problem is, as he was a top student his senior year in HS and this material is only one year advanced from then. The student says "well what do you expect, I only have a 95 IQ". The counselor is confused and asks where the student got that idea and finds out the misunderstanding and explains what the 95 percentile really meant. From then on, the student got straight A's.

2) some teachers are told that they were picked as the best of the best in their district, and are being given the best of the best students to teach, but not to tell anyone about they or the students being picked like this, so no one complains of favortism or whatever. The students go on to lead the district in grades under these teachers. Later the teachers are told that this was an experiment, and both the students and teachers were completely chosen at random.

Those examples Brian Tracy said were actual documented events that happened. He also uses the following hypothetical example: say you've put invested everything you have into a business venture and fly out someplace to meet with prospective business partners for 3 days. For the 1st 2 days, the people you meet with all laugh at your proposal and tell you its an idiotic idea, etc. At the end of the 2nd day, discouraged and wiped out you call home and the person you talk to says "well dont worry about it, it doesnt matter anyway because we just won the lottery!" Suppose that even though you think you've won the lottery, you're still going to go through with this 3rd day of meetings. Brian Tracy suggests you would probably have more success the 3rd day because your attitude would be much different than the 1st 2 days. Then you get home, the person you spoke to on the phone says "we didn't really win the lottery, you just sounded so down so I told you that to cheer you up". Tracy says after you finish strangling that person, you might want to stop and think about how much your attitude and performance was changed, based on completely false information, as happened in the other 2 examples as well.

The point of all this was, whatever we believe enough "becomes true for us" because we act as if it was true, and the results we get will only reinforce the belief in most cases. I've had this happen myself, where my complete outlook and attitude, and in one case even my entire personality, changed because of a change in what I believed (and in at least one case it was based on completely false information).

And haven't we BS'ed ourselves into beliefs about ourselves, that we found out later were completely false? Has anyone else had experience with this sort of thing? Any suggestions for knowingly BS'ing yourself into believing something POSITIVE about yourself? I've done it myself, and it feels like BS at first, but after a while you forget its BS, and it "becomes true for you".

 

[Interceptor]

Your beliefs are not 'good' or 'bad'.
They only give you the results that you want, or not


Your beliefs are not always 'created' by you.
SInce you were young, you have been subjected to other's beleifs,and gradually accepted them as your own.

Once you begin to establish your values and preferences, then you can better assess if your current beliefs are jiving with you.

If I tell you 2+2=5, will you believe me?

Why would you?

What if you didnt know better?

How would you look at things if you realize otherwise?



To create our "Reality" we NEED to look at things as how we WISH them to be...not simply blindly 'accept' ou circumstances.

Life is designed to GIVE us what WE Want to EXPERIENCE

Life is not designed for 'suffering'.
Although, there is plenty of that for the less fortunate, and I dont mean financially.
I mean a lack of education, their minds are not open to the possibilities.

It is if you are looking at the world with eyes open or not..............


I want to leave you with something that I learned.


Consider yourself to be at a certain Level of confidence.

I call it a Baseline Level of Confidence.

I can do well in some skills, others, not so well.
Until I learn how to do well in those skills, I may not feel HIGH confidence.

Meaning, at some point, once I have integratied those skills,and can perform them competently, my confidence GOES UP.

Thus, raising my Baseline Confidence Level HIGHER.

As I gain more confidence, I gain more Faith in myself, to do things that I previously thought were extremely difficult for me..."I could never do that!!"

But we see 'evidence' to the contrary.

The simple fact that as your confidence level goes up, you are stronger OUTSIDE your Comfort Zone, means that you are willing to take RISKS...
(ie "Leaps of Faith." Remember that term we use....)


Thus, TAKING ACTION you previously thought was "IMPOSSIBLE!!" is now, no big thing at all.........

I leave it up to you to decide HOW this correlates to how you live your life NOW, and How you COULD live your life if you truly believed that:

You ARE NOT 'supposed' to simply obey and live the life of a sheep

You DESERVE a good life

Happiness is only determined by YOU, no one else...

You DESERVE Wealth and a Good Life.

You are only responsible for living up to YOUR Expectations,and your Dream of 'happiness' whatever it may be for you....



Think.

Analyze.

Research.

Deduce.

Apply. TAKE INSPIRED ACTION.

Repeat....

 

[Alphamale1821]

another golden post by Interceptor this guy sounds much older then me, but even at my young age i know these words to be truth.

 

[ready123]

psychology calls this "self-fulfilling prophecy"

think of how it ties to limiting beliefs and all the guys who think because they're short or ugly or whatever they can't pull

 

[TheEdgeOf]

psychology calls this "self-fulfilling prophecy"

think of how it ties to limiting beliefs and all the guys who think because they're short or ugly or whatever they can't pull

Yeah, I heard about that from a psychology class, but I don't think that's quite what he means. What if what we think becomes true. I'm not just talking about things directly concerning us. I'm talking about things that our attitude couldn't possibly affect in our reality.

For example, A little while ago, I was just thinking that I needed a job for the summer. I didn't mention this fact to anyone. The next day, completely randomly, my friend offered me a job where he works.

That's just a typical example of things that happen to me. And it's not isolated either. Things like that happen all the time (I thought of a song I hadn't heard in 6 months and a day later I found an old burned CD with that song on it)

What if what we thinks becomes our reality. I think that it's quite possible that our minds have much more power than we can even imagine.

 

[Michele l'Arcangelo]

psychology calls this "self-fulfilling prophecy"

think of how it ties to limiting beliefs and all the guys who think because they're short or ugly or whatever they can't pull

beat me to it. hah! starting to learn these simple things now that i'm taking basic classes.

the textbook definition is something like: a prediction or expectation that becomes true simple because one acts or thinks it's true.

just took a test on the definitions about 1 hour ago.

 

[Michele l'Arcangelo]

Yeah, I heard about that from a psychology class, but I don't think that's quite what he means. What if what we think becomes true. I'm not just talking about things directly concerning us. I'm talking about things that our attitude couldn't possibly affect in our reality.

For example, A little while ago, I was just thinking that I needed a job for the summer. I didn't mention this fact to anyone. The next day, completely randomly, my friend offered me a job where he works.

That's just a typical example of things that happen to me. And it's not isolated either. Things like that happen all the time (I thought of a song I hadn't heard in 6 months and a day later I found an old burned CD with that song on it)

What if what we thinks becomes our reality. I think that it's quite possible that our minds have much more power than we can even imagine.

imo, that's just coincidence. although this is taking it to the extreme, just because one thinks that tomorrow is the last day for all mankind, it doesn't make it a reality. you can't just think of something and change someone elses reality, especially if you have never had contact with them.

 

[TheEdgeOf]

imo, that's just coincidence. although this is taking it to the extreme, just because one thinks that tomorrow is the last day for all mankind, it doesn't make it a reality. you can't just think of something and change someone elses reality, especially if you have never had contact with them.

Alright. Let me tell you this. in the next 3 days after I had realized this connection, there we 45+ coincidences like this. Now unless those three days were the statistical improbabilities of the century, I think there's more to it.

 

[slaog]

Strange things happen all the time. I don't believe in coinidences. I've 2 stories to tell. bizare one happened me this morning.

Last night I was texting a girl and talking about dreams. She had to get up early and was tired so she fell asleep and didn't answer a text but I knew she fell asleep. I went to bed.

I'm a heavy sleeper and never wake up early but this morning in a dream there was a loud bang that woke me. I looked around to see did something fall on the wooden floor but it was clear. The bang was in the dream I think but still woke me. I looked at my phone to see what time it was and it said 6:10 or thereabouts.

I placed the phone back down and put my head on the pillow when the phone started vibrating (sound was turned off). It was the girl texting me back. She was in work!

This happen about 30 seconds after the mysterious bang woke me up and after we were chatting about strange dreams the night before!

Another story

There used to be a small shop I used to go to when I was younger. The shopkeeper retired and the shop closed about 13 years ago but still good memories cause it was a sweet shop!

Last year I had a dream about the shop keeper and the next day I had to pop out to a nearby shop to but something and I only passed a few people and he was one. A big smile and greeting from him as usual. The strange thing was it was the first time in over 6 months I had seen him because he moved away from my area and I was only out a few min.

 

[TheEdgeOf]

Strange things happen all the time. I don't believe in coinidences. I've 2 stories to tell. bizare one happened me this morning.

Last night I was texting a girl and talking about dreams. She had to get up early and was tired so she fell asleep and didn't answer a text but I knew she fell asleep. I went to bed.

I'm a heavy sleeper and never wake up early but this morning in a dream there was a loud bang that woke me. I looked around to see did something fall on the wooden floor but it was clear. The band was in the dream I think but still woke me. I looked at my phone to see what time it was and it said 6:10 or thereabouts.

I placed the phone back down and put my head on the pillow when the phone started vibrating (sound was turned down). It was the girl texting me back. She was in work!

This happen about 30 seconds after the mysterious bang woke me up and after we were chatting about strange dreams the night before!

Another story

There used to be a small shop I used to go to when I was younger. The shopkeeper retired and the shop closed about 13 years ago but still good memories cause it was a sweet shop!

Last year I had a dream about the shop keeper and the next day I had to pop out to a nearby shop to but something and I only passed a few people and he was one. A big smile and greeting from him as usual. The strange thing was it was the first time in over 6 months I had seen him because he moved away from my area and I was only out a few min.

That's exactly what I'm talking about! I mean, I know it just seems impossible, but what if your thoughts about him made him come to you. Sure, you can say "But that's impossible." Well, show a laptop to a 12th century person and he'll say that it's impossible.

Impossible is nothing.

 

[DarthAngel707]

One more Brian Tracy example:

One bleak night a businessman's business was on the verge of bankruptcy and he decided to end it by jumping off the bridge. Out of nowhere, an old man consoles him and asks him what is wrong. The business man tells his situation to this man and the old man keeps nodding sweetly and knowingly. The old man then took pity on the businessman and handed him a check for $50,000. On the bottom was signed the name, "John D. Rockefeller." "Your John Rockefeller the millionaire?!" the businessman stammered. "Yes, and that check is actually a loan. Exactly one year from now at this very time I will be back here to collect on it." With that, Mr. Rockefeller left into the shadows. The businessman was ecstatic and proceeded to get back to rebuilding his business with full confidence that he had $50,000 check he could cash any time. Soon after, the business turned around and became one of the most successful of its kind. Well, to make a long story short the old man came back and it turns out that he wasn't really John Rockefeller but a schizophrenic guy claiming to be him and writing him a phony check. But the point is that the businessman couldn't tell turned around his business by acting as if he could not fail.

Btw, love your posts Interceptor.

 

[Michele l'Arcangelo]

Strange things happen all the time. I don't believe in coinidences. I've 2 stories to tell. bizare one happened me this morning.

to me, this screams "COINCIDENCE!"

i don't understand you. how do you not believe in a "coincidence"?

the definition of "coincidence" is: a striking occurrence of two or more events at one time apparently by mere chance.

do you not believe i that? one has to think it or dream it for it to happen by mere chance?

Last night I was texting a girl and talking about dreams. She had to get up early and was tired so she fell asleep and didn't answer a text but I knew she fell asleep. I went to bed.

I'm a heavy sleeper and never wake up early but this morning in a dream there was a loud bang that woke me. I looked around to see did something fall on the wooden floor but it was clear. The band was in the dream I think but still woke me. I looked at my phone to see what time it was and it said 6:10 or thereabouts.

I placed the phone back down and put my head on the pillow when the phone started vibrating (sound was turned down). It was the girl texting me back. She was in work!

This happen about 30 seconds after the mysterious bang woke me up and after we were chatting about strange dreams the night before!

let me just say i'm no dream expert, but i have experience... everyone dreams and thinks.

i'm not what order your dream and reality was, but i'd say the bang was in your dream. it was probably the phone vibrating. yes the phone is silent, but it's vibrating effect or sound still caused your dream to change completely to something else out of the blue, when the text was out of the blue in the real world.

my phone has all of my alarms on it... if i forget to change it off vibrate before i go to bed, it can still wake me up with it's vibrations. i'm a heavy sleeper.

There used to be a small shop I used to go to when I was younger. The shopkeeper retired and the shop closed about 13 years ago but still good memories cause it was a sweet shop!

Last year I had a dream about the shop keeper and the next day I had to pop out to a nearby shop to but something and I only passed a few people and he was one. A big smile and greeting from him as usual. The strange thing was it was the first time in over 6 months I had seen him because he moved away from my area and I was only out a few min.

he moved back or is visiting.

That's exactly what I'm talking about! I mean, I know it just seems impossible, but what if your thoughts about him made him come to you. Sure, you can say "But that's impossible." Well, show a laptop to a 12th century person and he'll say that it's impossible.

Impossible is nothing.

colorful attempt at trying to sound philosophical.

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there's a logical explanation for everything. even if it goes into explaining brain chemicals and dreams.

 

[TakenDirectly]

Alright. Let me tell you this. in the next 3 days after I had realized this connection, there we 45+ coincidences like this. Now unless those three days were the statistical improbabilities of the century, I think there's more to it.

Technically, it is a coincidence unless what you are doing is measurable and can be replicated. Now, I've hear Brian Tracy's tapes (GREAT STUFF), but I think there can be a more reasonable explanation. Subconsciously, after we think and believe in what we want/need, then I believe we begin to act on what we need to get these things without actually recognizing our work. It could be that our mind starts to recognize it as a normal habit and works for that goal just as any other goal. We just don't notice it because we feel it as a normal habit pattern. Like some people talk about short people never feeling good enough. Yet if they are willing to self visualize and have a CONSTANT pattern of doing so then they begin to probably take care of themselves better, dress better, loosen up and just have fun and enjoy life. Eventually they find themselves with someone that they didn't think they could of had, but it was all about not focusing on the bad parts and focusing about what you want and visualizing yourself having it. Dunno how dumb that sounds, but I'm pretty sure that the more and more we want and need something then we simply act on getting it involuntarily.

 

[slaog]

to me, this screams "COINCIDENCE!"

i don't understand you. how do you not believe in a "coincidence"?

the definition of "coincidence" is: a striking occurrence of two or more events at one time apparently by mere chance.

do you not believe i that? one has to think it or dream it for it to happen by mere chance?

No I believe everything happens for a reason. I used to believe in luck and coincidences etc and wondered why I always had bad luck. Now I know you make your own luck and can see things turning around for me.

i'm not what order your dream and reality was, but i'd say the bang was in your dream. it was probably the phone vibrating. yes the phone is silent, but it's vibrating effect or sound still caused your dream to change completely to something else out of the blue, when the text was out of the blue in the real world.

my phone has all of my alarms on it... if i forget to change it off vibrate before i go to bed, it can still wake me up with it's vibrations. i'm a heavy sleeper.

No it was a loud bang! Like a remote control/phone hitting a wooden floor. The vibration on my phone just buzz's quickly twice in about to seconds. Completely different sound.

Anyway the vibration went off about 30 seconds after I woke up. It didn't wake me up.

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there's a logical explanation for everything. even if it goes into explaining brain chemicals and dreams.

Logically you are correct but quantum physics don't behave in a logical way and that have changed the beliefs of alot of scientists.

 

[slaog]

That's exactly what I'm talking about! I mean, I know it just seems impossible, but what if your thoughts about him made him come to you. Sure, you can say "But that's impossible." Well, show a laptop to a 12th century person and he'll say that it's impossible.

Impossible is nothing.

Time doesn't really exist I read somewhere. Einstein said this I think. Therefore I dreamed of him because I was going to meet him or met him in the future. lol

 

[TheEdgeOf]

the definition of "coincidence" is: a striking occurrence of two or more events at one time apparently by mere chance.

There's the catch. As far as we can tell, a coincidence is caused by chance. As far as we know, coincidences are random. But we don't know everything, do we? it's very possible that what I'm saying is true and that there's a perfectly logical explanation for it, but we just haven't found out what it is yet. 1000 years from now, they might laugh at our attempts to try and understand this.
Or maybe you're right, maybe there are only coincidences in life. Maybe I
m just really lucky. Or maybe I'm right. We can't know for sure. But there's one thing I do know for sure; when I visualize things that you define as beyond my control, those things start happening.

 

[TheEdgeOf]

Time doesn't really exist I read somewhere. Einstein said this I think. Therefore I dreamed of him because I was going to meet him or met him in the future. lol

I'd lol if that ever happens

 

[CasanovaFrankenstein]

What some call coincidences, others call "serendipity", which I won't get into right now because I'm at work lol. All I'll say now is, I too find metaphysics/law of attraction stuff very interesting, and I want to believe there's something to it, but I now like the way Brian Tracy explains it better than does "the Secret": when we focus on something we want (or don't want) we unconsciously attract into our lives opportunities to make these things occur. It's still up to us to act on those opportunities, or not. This is a little different from the little boy in "The Secret" visualizing a bicycle and one day someone magically brings him a bicycle.

But in my original post I actually wasn't going the metaphysical route at all. The examples I cited from Brian Tracy's tapes involved nothing more than beliefs that turned out to be false, nonetheless influenced the attitudes emotions and actions of the holders of those beliefs. The beliefs were false, but as far as the people who had those beliefs, they might as well have been true because of how much they affected the way they approached the world around them and the results they got.

I'll add a little bit to this post when I take a break later today lol

Edit: In the examples I gave yesterday from Brian Tracy's tapes, 1) the student who somehow mistook his SAT score for his IQ started college believing he was below average in intelligence. College work would probably be pretty much over the head of a person with a 95 IQ. How hard do you think the student studied? How closely do you think he listened in class? Not anywhere near what he did the year before in HS. Why bother, if he had a below average intelligence? The material must be too hard for him anyway, so why even try?

2) the teachers who were told they were "the best of the best" and that they were going to be given "the best of the best" students, treated these students like the gifted kids the teachers were led to believe they were. They expected great things from the students, and I've heard somewhere that young people tend to live up to the expectations others have of them, whether those expectations be high or low. Also because the teachers went into these classes expecting great things, their confidence was high, which the students probably picked up on, through body language, tone of voice, etc. So the students respected and trusted the teachers that they knew what they were doing.

Nothing metaphysical about that, is there?

 

[Michele l'Arcangelo]

Time doesn't really exist I read somewhere. Einstein said this I think. Therefore I dreamed of him because I was going to meet him or met him in the future. lol

if i can recall, i don't think that's right.

einstein said time is the fourth dimension, and it can be traveled only one way... forward, not backwards.

but if you only have the special rocket that can shoot you to a star and back going the speed of light.

anyways off topic.