"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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other males/friends who prefer boring sitdown old man sausage fest bars over clubs

Borknagar

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wtf is with that? I notice that a lot with old friends of mine, and a coworker was complained to be about that's all his friends wanna do, what is the mindset of these guys? Potential homosexuals?

I don't see why any guy, especially single guys under 40 who prefer hole in the wall bars filled with old regulars who are just alcoholics who sit there, no young women in site, over a busy fun night club with women. Anyone else notice that with their afc/non-dj friends?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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FairShake

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Sometimes its nice to have friends and not just sarging partners knaw'mean?
 

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I'm dealing with the same issue. Although mine has another added annoyance. A lot of my friends in my main group are married/engaged/LTRs. My roommate, along with another friend of mine, and I are the single ones in the group. I am the only one of the three of us with any interest in going to clubs, or bars with DJs.

So, not only do these other two guys not want to join me at these places, but they always have a "reason" not to because our relationship friends are never up for that.

I've started hanging out with another group of 4 single guys that go out all the time.. at least 4 nights a week. I usually end up joining them on Saturdays, but it sucks having to limit my "nigh game" to once a week.
 

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FairShake said:
Sometimes its nice to have friends and not just sarging partners knaw'mean?
This.
 

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Some people don't like the club. I hate the club. I'll go to a couple of spots that actually have good music for no cover and no dress code from time to time. You don't like having some time with the guys just having drinks sometimes?

A lot of my friends who just want to chill out at a watering hole are the types that meet girls at work, around town, at school, etc. These guys don't see going out as a sarging event, they already do that **** during the day.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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J Roc

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FairShake said:
Sometimes its nice to have friends and not just sarging partners knaw'mean?

its nice once in a while but not all the time.
 

PDubb75

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J Roc said:
its nice once in a while but not all the time.
Exactly. My roommate has had 3 dates in his life. All from match.com. He has no desire to ever go out to meet girls. I know hes scared out of his mind, and that's why he uses our married friends as excuses to not go out.

He's also the biggest AFC I know by a long shot, so until he changes that I guess it doesn't matter anyway.

And I'm assuming when the OP said "clubs" he really meant anywhere that women their age would tend to go, instead of the small townie bars.
 

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PDubb75 said:
Exactly. My roommate has had 3 dates in his life. All from match.com. He has no desire to ever go out to meet girls. I know hes scared out of his mind, and that's why he uses our married friends as excuses to not go out.

He's also the biggest AFC I know by a long shot, so until he changes that I guess it doesn't matter anyway.
Show him sosuave, that's what a good friend does :D

But seriously if you want to sarge or hunt for women you should do it with likeminded people. Search around the forums not just this forum for guys looking for sarge buddies in your city.

Trying to involve regular friends "in the game" just doesn't work many times.
 

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PDubb75 said:
Exactly. My roommate has had 3 dates in his life. All from match.com. He has no desire to ever go out to meet girls. I know hes scared out of his mind, and that's why he uses our married friends as excuses to not go out.

He's also the biggest AFC I know by a long shot, so until he changes that I guess it doesn't matter anyway.

And I'm assuming when the OP said "clubs" he really meant anywhere that women their age would tend to go, instead of the small townie bars.
You have to help him.

Otherwise realise that AFC'ism is contagious and if you are not careful, it will infect you.

If he shows no desire to change and improve himself, it would be in your best interests to get as far away from him as you can.

Sounds harsh, but that's reality.
 

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i hate it when guys go out in groups of other guys. thats so gay. hangin with the boyyysss. drinking beer and going to a bar. yeah real fun! and then you see photos of them sticking tongues out @ each other on facebook.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Mike32ct

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Borknagar said:
wtf is with that? I notice that a lot with old friends of mine, and a coworker was complained to be about that's all his friends wanna do, what is the mindset of these guys? Potential homosexuals?

I don't see why any guy, especially single guys under 40 who prefer hole in the wall bars filled with old regulars who are just alcoholics who sit there, no young women in site, over a busy fun night club with women. Anyone else notice that with their afc/non-dj friends?
I don't know the age of your old friends, but a lot of people think they're too old for clubs. That's why they hang out in the venues that you mentioned. They usually have some arbitrary cut-off age in their heads. For example, "I can't go clubbing anymore. I'm 26. Anyone over 25.932 is OLD and can't do that anymore lol.".

If you can't find like minded people, just sarge alone. I sarge alone because most people my age are married or in relationships. I prefer bars because I'm a better talker than a dancer, but I'll hit the club maybe once every couple months.
 

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LoneWolf said:
i hate it when guys go out in groups of other guys. thats so gay. hangin with the boyyysss. drinking beer and going to a bar. yeah real fun! and then you see photos of them sticking tongues out @ each other on facebook.
And cybering with your asian ladyboy over PS3 every saturday night is totally not gay right?
 

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Differences in personality, maybe on the Kinsey scale you score higher on homosexual side leaning towards bisexual. My score is 2 out of 10, and yours might be 4 out of 10 which is bicurious level which means you love dancing.
 

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SharinganUser said:
And cybering with your asian ladyboy over PS3 every saturday night is totally not gay right?
Dude i was just about to say that, ****in hilarious. Oh **** that was good a laugh
 

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Most of the guys I see in clubs are not having fun,they seems to be there to say "look at me I'm at a club and I'm having fun" or at least that's the impression I get looking some pictures on facebook.

Second,lot of people get their lifes sucked out from work and are not in the mood for long queue,dress codes,stupid sunbucultural norms or facing a stronger competition to get the attention of a bratty girl.
Seriously if you are average height,balding and in normal shape there's no game that is going to give you any chance with a girl over a jersey shore type guy in an environment where stats and look are everything.
I think to this group belong also all the people who had to fight all day long to earn their salaries and are done fighting after work.

Third,there are some guys who are not mainly looking for ONS (if it happen it's great but not worth to complicate your life) but instead are long termers with girls with whom they share something(job,hobby whatever) so there's no need to build rapport or whatever you call it.
I belong to this group,a woman should be an item to improve my quality of life not an other problem that needs attention and effort,a stop on my way not something that force me to do a deviation.

And keep in mind that there are also guys that don't read this site and after failing years in a row finally change plan,only an idiot would keep doing the same thing expecting the effect to be different.

Btw OP for what I recall all clubs western than the wall are sausage fest too.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Thundernuts

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Strelok said:
only an idiot would keep doing the same thing expecting the effect to be different.
The very definition of insanity right there.

And its true there are some people out there who have their own valid reasons for not wanting to go to a club. I've been to alot of parties and a couple of raves. Honestly, I was expecting more, all i saw was a bunch of arrogant guys running around saying the same lines to different women until one of them took the bait. Nothing fun there. I would rather be at a small bar have some old guy tell me the god honest truth about life instead of watch players chase tail.

But, to each his own. I won't talk crap about a person just because he goes to a club, but you need to know that its not fun for everyone. Of course im not saying i didn't have a damn good time, just trying to make a point.
 

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kind of fun going to a club once in awhile, get to watch you young'uns run around like chickens with their heads cut off....thinking they are the first generation to discover sex
 
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