She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
hey man, i think its done between you and her. she gave you 3 chances and you didnt' do nothing about it, this told her that you are inexperienced and that if she gets with you, she's gonna have to hold your hand and teach you the ropes, which is a turn off. You should have immediately reacted to the first one. If i were you, i would have told her, "hey let's go eat somewhere like TGIF" and from there, you crack jokes at her, KINO her, then at the end of the night, bust in her mouth!guytime said:This is a follow up. It's over based on what I saw today, or even sooner than that.
This girl has been giving me crazy IOI's for about a week and a half. Now here's the issue: I was uncertain of her age. She looks young. It turns out she's just graduated high school. If you know what I mean.
I'm older than she is, and she knows that. She's younger than I am, and I knew that. So, it led to a lot of hesitancy on both sides.
Second factor:
I've "rejected her" about three times now. She's giving me openings to isolate her on multiple occasions, and as a result of the first thing listed above, I haven't made a move, even though she timidly gave me a green light to proceed.
So, on day one, she introduced herself. I talked to her after class, and she asked me if I had not yet purchased my book, since she was going to the bookstore. So that was my first opening. I bailed. It was awkward.
Also, last week, she stated that she needed someone to practice with. I said nothing.
Then, this past day, she was being chatted up by a couple guys. I couldn't deal with the cluster situation, so I just bailed.
She said "byeeee." in a very solemn, sad tone of voice.
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It turns out the two guys gaming her number close her today at the end of the seminar.
I knew my chances were essentially done when one of the two sat next to her in the seminar today. She lit up. That made her VERY happy. I knew right away I was out of the picture.
Nonetheless, I knew I had to try. I chat her up. She won't look up from her cell phone. And she drops a couple IOD's: what? you're telling a girl to drink? That's bad!" And she starts talking to another girl so the iso between us is broken.
I talk to her again after class, and when I kino, she says, "so nice to meet you!" Basically saying goodbye.
I still try to number close her. She says that she's not very good, and that she wouldn't be good to practice with. Then she says that she might practice with someone else. She doesn't say no, but she says I should check back with her on Monday, to see if she's good enough to practice with by then.
Anyway, in summary:
1. she was super nervous. This made me nervous.
2. the age thing was complicating to say the least.
3. I kept "rejecting" her which made her sad.
4. When I rejected her a third time, it was too much, and she drew a line in the sand.
5. I tried again anyway, but much too late.
You really have to hardwire this into your DNA and act immediately. Hesitation is your enemy.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
What I would do is try asking her out one more time, if she flakes or disses you, just slam the door shut on her face and NEXT her A$$ and use this as a learning lesson!guytime said:Although I don't want to bother with either this girl, or the seminar, do you think the situation is salvageable? My intuition says it is not.
Nothing will work at this point, your only option is to TRY asking her to go somewhere with you, if she goes with you, then you still have a chance...Read my signature, its the motto i live byguytime said:No way. I've already dropped the seminar.
So what's my m.o. at this point in the off chance I see her again? Ignore her?
909pua said:What I would do is try asking her out one more time, if she flakes or disses you, just slam the door shut on her face and NEXT her A$$ and use this as a learning lesson!
guytime said:Thanks for the feedback homies. I'm leaning towards letting it go and preserving it as a lesson. Quite frankly, I have no interest in seeing her again. Plus, not going to that seminar is going to save me a huge amount of time which will be better served on other more important and pressing tasks.
The nice thing I walk away with is that pretty much every female tranced out at first sight, and I was attracting pretty much just by standing or sitting or walking. No extra effort required. I now feel like a stuff muffin, even when I dress down and don't work out.
But yeah, the lesson is, make a move RIGHT away at the first opportunity. And she gave me that opportunity countless times. Even before I walked into the seminar room! She was already staring at me! So, she probably felt rejected not three, but many more times than that. Man, she was gaming me pretty hard.
I think she's had it with the seminar too. I don't think she'll finish it. Just sick of her top drawer dude doing nothing even though she's investing all this time in the seminar. Sigh.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
no man, if she's comfortable with you, she's giving you a chance, its up to you to play your game right to turn her sexual buttons on. Like i said, i was able to turn a non-attracted female with no tension to an attracted one with sexual tension by KINO and by playing everything cool. she doesnt have to be nervous since she knows a bunch of guys want her. sure enough, i gave this girl 3 orgasms and now i;m back in the game after listening to everyone's advice in here.guytime said:Anyway, this is another lesson for you guys: if she is completely comfortable with you, and there doesn't seem to be a tension, that's not necessarily a good thing. You want there to be some sexual tension and nervous energy. In her case, it just went overboard.
909pua said:its not too late, dont talk to her for a week and then call her and ask her out! like the DJs in here say, the worst thing to do is not to risk!
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.