"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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She had responded to my email from Friday on Monday..asking me how my weekend was...i got it right before I saw her at lunch..which was awkward for both of us, mostly due to her poor communication, but i made point to go up to her as I am the man here..she said she sent me an email i told her i just got it before heading out.
By the way...I would have told her: "I noticed it in my in-box, but I have not opened yet." Or "Really? I have not checked my emails in a while."

Something to that effect.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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That wouldve been the smarter reply, but i wasnt on top of my game to say the least:) Another thing is her communication outside of the dates hasnt been great at any time...its doesnt match her personality when Im with her...shes been dry from the start. That could be due to it being email..and she does play the business woman role...
 

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And one thing this thread helped me realize (i am slow lol) is I havent since our date really asked anything from her directly, i did the weak "if you have time..let me know" thing in Friday's email..but there really isnt much for her to go on from me I'm guessing as well?
 

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Good stuff in this thread.

As far as the time and "flow" issues, Latinoman and Rollo had some solid points.

LONG dates with no intimate escalation are killers. If she has high enough IL it gives you a 'cushion', but not forever.

Ive had a couple 3 hour dates with this woman I am seeing, and her IL is very high. Not impeccable game on my part, but things were going well and we met at a halfway point between our respective towns, so leaving after an hour would have been silly.

After these dates I sort of caught myself and cut the email/texting wayyyy back. I now send her a witty/naughty text here and there, or respond to hers, but I call if i want to speak to her. I am one of those guys who can do very well with text mediums. I had a huge response from my Craigslist thing, and i can use wit and writing ability to my advantage in texting. Anything can be overdone, however. My weakness is in live sets. God, i sound like a PUA.
 

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It will be a better thread if I can come back and say I've earned myself another shot:) I replied to her email, kept it lite, and just left it off telling her that I "will" call her later. I am kicking myself for being such a wuss and can only hope that I will NOT repeat my stupidity in the future!
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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well I called, voicemail..of course. We will see what comes of this...
 
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drf408 said:
Ok..honestly I didn't expect the replies to be so dead on. To have someone else state what I was thinking but afraid to acknowledge..I was safe..boring. It's a bad habit of mine that when I run into a girl that I take actual interest in beyond her being "hot" I then stop being myself and start playing it safe.
Stop it kid!! Are you an entertainer? A Clown? A Buffoon?? Why judge yourself against such? Believer it or not, the purpose of a date is to determine whether SHE is worthy of YOUR interest!!!! UNDERSTAND THIS, AND BE FREE!!!
 

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Ugh. Agreed and the chase is over i got confirmation today. I got an email back that was long winded form her. It stated that she knows she has been distant since our date, and that she has plans already for Saturday night ( I asked her) but we can pcik another night. She went on to tell me that she is not ready for anything more than a friend but would still want to hang out and get to know each other, she has a great time with me but needed to let me know. Ah well.
 
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