"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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antr

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To the OP: If you're having problems making this virgin spread her legs, then there are likely aspects of your game that need work. Kissing might be one of them. It also sounds like you might be talking with her too much. Less conversation, more action.
So I saw her again on Saturday, she suggested it through a mutual friend. We hanged out with friends (I met her through them), after which I drove her home, went for kiss close and pulled away first (I really dont think I couldve gotten more then this with her for now so I decided to do it like this) she wanted to kiss more but I had to go.

I called her after 3 days and told her I have tickets for concert on Saturday and asked if she wants to join me. She seemed unsure and said she already has plans with friends and doesnt know if she can make it on time. I cut her there and told her Ill go with someone else and to contact me when shes sure she is free. She also told me I should always make plans with her at the end of the date.

Now I know you guys will tell me to drop her, but except the flaky bs party I really like this chick, shes fun to hangout with and we seem to have alot in common, I can also wait with sex since I have 2 other chicks on the side for that. I would like to try something serious with her if you guys think thats possible.

Ill wait one week for her to contact me, if she doesnt, I'll suggest another date, then go ghost forever if she declines. Any other suggestions?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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dude99

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So I saw her again on Saturday, she suggested it through a mutual friend. We hanged out with friends (I met her through them), after which I drove her home, went for kiss close and pulled away first (I really dont think I couldve gotten more then this with her for now so I decided to do it like this) she wanted to kiss more but I had to go.

I called her after 3 days and told her I have tickets for concert on Saturday and asked if she wants to join me. She seemed unsure and said she already has plans with friends and doesnt know if she can make it on time. I cut her there and told her Ill go with someone else and to contact me when shes sure she is free. She also told me I should always make plans with her at the end of the date.

Now I know you guys will tell me to drop her, but except the flaky bs party I really like this chick, shes fun to hangout with and we seem to have alot in common, I can also wait with sex since I have 2 other chicks on the side for that. I would like to try something serious with her if you guys think thats possible.

Ill wait one week for her to contact me, if she doesnt, I'll suggest another date, then go ghost forever if she declines. Any other suggestions?
Too much focus on this girl. You said you have 2 other chicks, but you are not aware you are personalizing this virgin chick.

You have 3 chicks. Put virgin chick in rotation. Spin 3 plates. The playing field for all 3 is level. Don't treat her any different than the other 2
 

Magotrox

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To me, she's looking for an emotional tampon. Go for the meeting, kino her, and go for the KC. If she refuses it, go away and make VERY difficult to her to have your time again.
 

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To me, she's looking for an emotional tampon. Go for the meeting, kino her, and go for the KC. If she refuses it, go away make VERY difficult to her to have your time again.
make VERY difficult to her to have your time again.
This should be a golden rule for all dating. Your time is valuable.

All women (people) should respect your time. Those who feel entitled to waste your time should never receive any of it again.
 

antr

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Update in case anyones wondering what happened with this:

Called her today and asked when shes free next week, she said she doesn't know. Going ghost forever now. At least I learned something new from all this.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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