Opening up closed HBs with conversation

[wolfie]

I seem to have a problem with HBs who aren't very talkative. The usual procedure goes for me - approach and open, run routine or ask situational question about whatever, then fluff... they will usually start asking ME stuff and we have conversation going.

However, if I get a HB who gives me a short response to my opener and then doesn't continue, I get a bit stuck.
IMO I can' t continue plowing her with questions because it would seem needy and approval seeking and she will lock up once she smells the pickup, yet trying to act high value by ignoring her and waiting for her to reengage the conversation seems to not work.

What can I continue with? I read Jugglers 90-10 rule where you are supposed to do 90% of the talking at the beginning, and the HB does the other 10%, but I can't imagine that firing off question after question is going to work.

These are all situational cold approaches btw, on the train, or at a bus stop perhaps, so I can't really go into something that's too kooky or high energy.

Since this entire post seems quite convuluted, lemme give you an example:

Me: Hi, do you know where xxxxxx is?
HB: bla bla bla
Me: Cool. Hey, do you go to xxx?
HB: no.
Me: oh, coz you look just like this chick in my xxx class.. only
she dresses a lot weirder. (chasing Question, gives her the
opportunity to ask about this 'weird dressing lookalike'
HB: Uh huh.
Me: *freezeout*

Ideas, ppl?

 

[Viking25]

need help too

to bump this one
Last nite at the club:

Me: hey cutie..what's up?
HB9: hi
Me: are you guys here we friends? (another HB8 is right next to her)
HB9: yeah
Me: Got any Irish in you?
HB9: naw
Me: damn..you smell good.( talking really close to her face...it's loud in the club)
HB9: thank you
Me: Well..I am gonna go find my friend and then we'll come back here...can we hang out with you? ( I know how AFC that sounded!)
HB9: ok...
Me: looked back and they were gone...hehe

I hate HB8+...they get too much attention in the clubs.

Any hope for me here?

 

[gav]

Re: need help too

Originally posted by Viking25
to bump this one
Last nite at the club:

Me: hey cutie..what's up?
HB9: hi
Me: are you guys here we friends? (another HB8 is right next to her)
HB9: yeah
Me: Got any Irish in you?
HB9: naw
Me: damn..you smell good.( talking really close to her face...it's loud in the club)
HB9: thank you
Me: Well..I am gonna go find my friend and then we'll come back here...can we hang out with you? ( I know how AFC that sounded!)
HB9: ok...
Me: looked back and they were gone...hehe

I hate HB8+...they get too much attention in the clubs.

Any hope for me here?

It was ure initial questions - they were so boring and unoriginal - how are those questions gonna separate u from every other guy in club? i always like to try teasing whenever possible

"we'll come back here"
"can we hang out with u?" - at least u realise ure mistake - just say cya and bump into her later (if u want to)

 

[Lifeforce]

Originally posted by wolfie
I seem to have a problem with HBs who aren't very talkative. The usual procedure goes for me - approach and open, run routine or ask situational question about whatever, then fluff... they will usually start asking ME stuff and we have conversation going.

However, if I get a HB who gives me a short response to my opener and then doesn't continue, I get a bit stuck.
IMO I can' t continue plowing her with questions because it would seem needy and approval seeking and she will lock up once she smells the pickup, yet trying to act high value by ignoring her and waiting for her to reengage the conversation seems to not work.

What can I continue with? I read Jugglers 90-10 rule where you are supposed to do 90% of the talking at the beginning, and the HB does the other 10%, but I can't imagine that firing off question after question is going to work.

These are all situational cold approaches btw, on the train, or at a bus stop perhaps, so I can't really go into something that's too kooky or high energy.

Since this entire post seems quite convuluted, lemme give you an example:

Me: Hi, do you know where xxxxxx is?
HB: bla bla bla
Me: Cool. Hey, do you go to xxx?
HB: no.
Me: oh, coz you look just like this chick in my xxx class.. only
she dresses a lot weirder. (chasing Question, gives her the
opportunity to ask about this 'weird dressing lookalike'
HB: Uh huh.
Me: *freezeout*

Ideas, ppl?

Have you considered leaving? You are wasting your time on that woman. Some women just doesn't want to talk. Don't try to prove yourself to her by forcing a conversation. Ask yourself if you really want to get to know a woman who just ignores you. 99% of the time it is NO. There are other women who are much more friendly and open, that you can try instead of kissing up to a ice queen.

So in other words, if she is not interrested nothing will work. Don't give her the pleasure of brushing you off.

Lifeforce

 

[Lifeforce]

Re: need help too

Originally posted by Viking25
to bump this one
Last nite at the club:

Me: hey cutie..what's up?
HB9: hi
Me: are you guys here we friends? (another HB8 is right next to her)
HB9: yeah
Me: Got any Irish in you?
HB9: naw
Me: damn..you smell good.( talking really close to her face...it's loud in the club)
HB9: thank you
Me: Well..I am gonna go find my friend and then we'll come back here...can we hang out with you? ( I know how AFC that sounded!)
HB9: ok...
Me: looked back and they were gone...hehe

I hate HB8+...they get too much attention in the clubs.

Any hope for me here?

I have never had any success with giving compliments in clubs. The reason is that the women see through it and that you want to have sex with them. (= slutty if they agree)

When girls are cold and doesn't let you in on a conversation, they just aren't interrested, or have some strange mental belief. (which make them unwantable). Peak for some interrest, dance and show that you are having fun, this really seem to get them interrested, at least when you are dancing.

Never wonder what you are going to say. If you can't think of something then it is your attitude that is wrong, your mental state is wrong. When your attitude and mental state is correct, the words will flow. So in order to say the right stuff you need to be in a great mood.


Lifeforce

The best post on sosuave:
http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48579

 

[gav]

try wearing a smirk on your face. this helps me naturally project the right attitude

also, try not to think about anything at all - try to switch your mind off and flow naturally through the moment

 

[isotope]

clubs are not the place to find nice girls, only shallow hos