"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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online: comment on pic?

iveyleeger

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When she emails you her pic (and didn't have one with profile) should you make a positive comment? Just say thank you? Say nothing? Or what?

Usually they already have a pic, so this is an unusual circumstance for me. I don't want to say anything "creepy". Also, this girl seems very "nice", talks about her family, pets, etc., so I don't think some c&f line is right.

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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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NewMan

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so you just want to bang her....

Why do you have to say anything past - "Cool picture (Insert observation here - e.g was it taken on your vacation to XXXX)"....
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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NewMan ... Good idea about an observation, but it's really just a pic of her standing in front of a wall. Maybe that's why this is feeling difficult.

Anyway, she also sent one of her cat. So maybe I'll just comment on that one. Something like:

"He's got a beautiful coat. You guys make a really cute couple."

You can't go wrong kissing up to the cat, right? Good enough?
 

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Originally posted by iveyleeger
NewMan ... Good idea about an observation, but it's really just a pic of her standing in front of a wall. Maybe that's why this is feeling difficult.

Anyway, she also sent one of her cat. So maybe I'll just comment on that one. Something like:

"He's got a beautiful coat. You guys make a really cute couple."

You can't go wrong kissing up to the cat, right? Good enough?
there you go
 

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"say she's very beautiful or something?" WTF?!?!!? No flame, penkitten, but that's way, way off. And I know because I used to do that all the time when I was an AFC.

I ALWAYS just ignore the pic when I email her back after the pic. I just pick up the conversation like I never saw it - drives em nuts lol

I had this one girl HB9 email me her pic after we had talked a little. She was HOT so I just ignored it and kept the emails going. She's like "did you get my pic?" I'm like "oh the pic? Yeah, I got it" and keep going. Then she's like "what did you think?" And I say "oh, you're passable I guess I can keep talking to you"

Think about it this way: If a girl is hot she's probably sent out her pic a bunch of times and had all the AFCs spooge all over her. You can be the first guy not to be impressed by it.

In the case of your HB5 you would want to go light on the ball busting because her self esteme might not be up to it like an 8-10. I would just ignore it and not mention it. Maybe gently play with her about it and bust on her but go light if she's shy or low self esteme.

It's the same as leading with a compliment when you meet a girl in person - JUST DON'T. Compliments never raise interest or convey high status.

gixx
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Mail her back and say she has a nice pvssy LOL! Hell, I would. It would be worth her not talking to you anymoe just for the laugh!

gixx
 

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gixxer,

she already told me she was shy. so I figure shy + HB5 = no neg hits for now.

but I think you're right about no compliments either. However, I will still give the cat his props. One interesting difference between cats and women is that if you are nice to the cat he will actually like you ;-)
 

SoCalMike

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don't ignore pic

I disagree about ignoring pic, with a HB5 I would go for a small compliment, nothing too exagerrated... something like "nice pic, you have pretty eyes".

Now if it were a HB9 I'd just say "nice pic" and that's it.
Totally ignoring it is too obvious a ploy.
 

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she knows she's below par, so ignoring the pic may send a message that your not interested...

a comment on the pvssy I mean cat is the way to go here - or you could give her a hard time about the pic - something along the lines of...

"Good choice of background on that pic - was that the Berlin wall?"
 

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well, I ended up not making comments on the pic, but I did ask her out, so she won't have to worry I wasn't interested. we'll see what happens.

if I meet her in person I'll give her a compliment on her outfit or something. combined with kino and ec it will have a bigger impact
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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