Sir Shinra
Don Juan
This is a long post, and yes, it is about a date with one chick, so I'm gonna start right off with the disclaimer.
Disclaimer: I am not posting this detailed report because of the girl. I am not being AFC, nor do I have one-itis with this woman. I already realize that I'm probably not going to see her again because of this date. I am writing this report to further my DJ education, not to get with this particular chick. I chose this date because it is exemplary what I tend to do when I am with an attractive woman.
Synopsis
I think I have hit a plateau as far as my dating life is concerned. The date below is a very typical example of why I am peaking just before the kiss close (or in this case, right at the kiss close). I have made my report as detailed as possible because I would like more experienced DJs to tell me what steps I need to take to get to the next level. If I keep going like this, I'm going to be stuck at the second date for a long time.
So last night I went on a second date with an HB7.5 that ended in a kiss close (though it probably shouldn't have. She was pretty tipsy and had put up initial resistance, but I got her on the second attempt).
Some background information
She is Korean, but she acts like a Westerner since she spent a year in Canada. This is good since Western girls are better at having fun and aren't as shy, but they are also less compliant than Korean girls. She is also a couple years older than me, and age is a big deal in Korea. So we are constantly having a 'contest' to see which of us is the 'senior,' (in other words, the dominant one) and it's because of this that she often volunteers to pay for our activities. I pretend to protest when she does. And yes, I do pay for other things. Admittedly, she has spent more money total.
I know her interest level is (was) high since she dressed herself really nice for both our dates, and from her calling me from work the next day to "make sure I got home all right." I thought she might be mad at me for kissing her while she was inebriated, but I guess not.
Previous date
If you're interested, the following post is a transcript of our first date. I ripped it from the Winter BC Week 6 thread.
Second date
We agreed to meet again a week later. I didn't tell her what we were doing that night, so we go out to eat. We carry on our conversation as if the kiss didn't happen the previous week. We're cracking jokes and making fun of each other, and I'm hitting her hard with the C&F. I throw in a little across-the-table kino with shoulder taps, etc.
Next, we go bowling. We played two games and had a good time. Some more playful kino (she initiated first this time) and heckling each other for our mistakes, high fives, etc. I had to show her how to properly throw the ball, which was a good excuse to put my hands on her hips, shoulders, etc. There were a few times where we hold a hold eye contact for a little too long. Sometimes she ends it first, sometimes I do (not wanting to look creepy). At one point, she says ,
"What are you doing?" (she's smiling)
"What do you mean" (I'm smiling)
"You're staring at me."
"You stared at me first."
blah blah blah... her turn to bowl.
More conversation She tells me that she is a Christain and our inside joke for the rest of the game is that we 'pray' for a good shot. If she misses, I tease her that God is pissed off at her for being a 'bad girl.' She agrees with my affirmation (she told me on the previous date that she is indeed, not a good girl).
At one point, she teases me for a missed shot. In response, I sit down next to her, get close to her face and say, "hey, look up here." I touch her face and stare into her eyes for a couple seconds. Sounds like I'm gonna kiss her right? I give her the finger instead. She laughs with surprise and disbelief. (BTW, I thought of that one on my own.)
She responds with a tease of her own. She calls me over and I get in her face (thinking she might actually want to kiss this time) and she flicks me in the face instead. Shouldn't have fell for that.
At this point, the date seems to be going well.
After the two games, I give her two options: either stay here or go play billiards. After a bit of thought she chooses billiards. We walk arm-in-arm to the billiards place. I don't think she's familiar with the arm-crick, because she reaches for my forearm instead of my bicep. After a few steps I say, "You're doing it wrong; it's like this," and correct her. She feels up my arm and says "Oh my god... your arms are tiny!" (I am quite tall and slender by nature). I jokingly play like I'm offended "Oh my god, you're so mean" and push her to the side. I brought up the tiny arms thing a couple more times in conversation later that night... jokingly of course.
Here's where it starts turning bad. We get to the billiards place and all the tables are full of smoking guys. I can tell she's uncomfortable, so I quickly lead her out. We stop at the secluded staircase and try to decide what to do. I ask her what she wants to do and she can't think of anything. She says something to the effect of "I don't know," and I said, something like
"That's fine. I don't trust you anyway."
"Why?"
"You're probably thinking of something bad..."
*she ponders for a moment* "Eww, get away from me!"
"Hey, you're the one thinking of dirty things, not me!"
At this point, I begin thinking that she is reacting negatively to my innuendo. Maybe she was being sarcastic, too?
We start walking down the staircase, while I keep C&Fing her. She sounds a tad bit frustrated with me at this point. When we're almost down, she says, "What do you want?"
I couldn't think of something clever to say, so I didn't respond.
Note: I think this would have been an EXCELLENT OPPURTUNITY to put my balls on the line and do this.
*Stop her on the staircase and look her in the eye.
*Respond simply with "you."
*Go for the kiss.
Does that seem like a good idea? Unfortunately, the thought didn't occur to me until several days later.
We walk down the street for a few minutes, having some idle conversation about some topic, and she (again) suggests we go grab a drink. I'm always up for drinking. She picks some random western bar and I agree to it. When we go sit down, she again gives me the "stay away from me!" because of my innuendo earlier. I sit next to her anyway. While drinking, I say something sarcastically (Asian girls have a hard time detecting sarcasm) and she is confused. I tell her that it was just sarcasm. Here, she says something to me... the most important dialogue of the night: "Eighty percent of everything that comes out of your mouth... is a joke." It was at this point I realized... maybe I AM relying too much on C&F. I hate talking about serious things.
Eventually we loosen up a bit and I challenge her to arm wrestling and thumb war. Since we're sitting next to each other, one of us has to move to the other side. She tells me to move, but not wanting to let her be the senior (one of our inside jokes. She is older than me and Korean culture dictates that the junior must follow the senior. See previous date above) I tell her to move. She refuses. Another important point:
Her: "I get it now.... you're trying get control."
Me: "No, I don't want the control... I just don't want you to have it!"
blah blah blah.
I ponder for a bit. I want to move but that would mean that I caved. Finally, I stand up, move my chair out of the way, grab her chair (while she is still sitting in it) and drag it to the other side of the table. "You are crazy!!"
At another point she says,
"You're wierd."
Me:"You like it."
Her:"No, I don't."
Me:"So what do you want me to do?"
Her:"Act normal."
Me:"And how would a normal person act?"
Her *smiling in a ****y way*: "Like me!":yes:
I start immitating her poorly.
"That's now how I act!"
We play thumb war, etc. Then we start having conversation again and I have a hard time hearing her because of the chair in between us. From my seat, with one arm, I push the chair out of the way and drag hers closer to me. "You're pretty good at this!"
We then move on to talk about our favorite music, etc. She suggests some good Korean bands for me, and I don't have anything to write in except my journal, so I break it out in front of her. She starts to read but I stop her
"You want to read my journal?? You're so nosy!"
"You have a journal?"
*sarcastically*"Yeah, I'm a real sensitive guy. I write about my feelings and such."
She gets out hers and shows me a couple pages. It's mostly in Korean but there is some English. I look through the pages until I get to one entry and she pulls it away from me. Something dirty, I guess.
Anyway, we spend a few minutes looking at the pictures in my phone, and I take the oppurtunity to get my face closer to hers. I deepen my voice a little and up the kino. She doesn't really respond. Eventually her mom calls and she has to go. We walk together to the bus stop (she takes the bus whereas I take the subway, right next door). She's is visibly cold and shivering, so I decide to be the "gentleman" and warm her body with mine until the bus arrives. She doesn't respond, but doesn't push me away either. Eventually, the bus arrives and it's time for her to go. She breaks away and walks toward the bus to make sure it's hers. It is. I want to signal her back for a last-ditch kiss attempt, but I think she was aware of my intentions, and instead of walking back towards me, quickly said bye (in a very indifferent tone) and got on the bus.
A few days later, I called her, no answer. She sends me a text later that day. I send one back. No response since.
Disclaimer: I am not posting this detailed report because of the girl. I am not being AFC, nor do I have one-itis with this woman. I already realize that I'm probably not going to see her again because of this date. I am writing this report to further my DJ education, not to get with this particular chick. I chose this date because it is exemplary what I tend to do when I am with an attractive woman.
Synopsis
I think I have hit a plateau as far as my dating life is concerned. The date below is a very typical example of why I am peaking just before the kiss close (or in this case, right at the kiss close). I have made my report as detailed as possible because I would like more experienced DJs to tell me what steps I need to take to get to the next level. If I keep going like this, I'm going to be stuck at the second date for a long time.
So last night I went on a second date with an HB7.5 that ended in a kiss close (though it probably shouldn't have. She was pretty tipsy and had put up initial resistance, but I got her on the second attempt).
Some background information
She is Korean, but she acts like a Westerner since she spent a year in Canada. This is good since Western girls are better at having fun and aren't as shy, but they are also less compliant than Korean girls. She is also a couple years older than me, and age is a big deal in Korea. So we are constantly having a 'contest' to see which of us is the 'senior,' (in other words, the dominant one) and it's because of this that she often volunteers to pay for our activities. I pretend to protest when she does. And yes, I do pay for other things. Admittedly, she has spent more money total.
I know her interest level is (was) high since she dressed herself really nice for both our dates, and from her calling me from work the next day to "make sure I got home all right." I thought she might be mad at me for kissing her while she was inebriated, but I guess not.
Previous date
If you're interested, the following post is a transcript of our first date. I ripped it from the Winter BC Week 6 thread.
Second date
We agreed to meet again a week later. I didn't tell her what we were doing that night, so we go out to eat. We carry on our conversation as if the kiss didn't happen the previous week. We're cracking jokes and making fun of each other, and I'm hitting her hard with the C&F. I throw in a little across-the-table kino with shoulder taps, etc.
Next, we go bowling. We played two games and had a good time. Some more playful kino (she initiated first this time) and heckling each other for our mistakes, high fives, etc. I had to show her how to properly throw the ball, which was a good excuse to put my hands on her hips, shoulders, etc. There were a few times where we hold a hold eye contact for a little too long. Sometimes she ends it first, sometimes I do (not wanting to look creepy). At one point, she says ,
"What are you doing?" (she's smiling)
"What do you mean" (I'm smiling)
"You're staring at me."
"You stared at me first."
blah blah blah... her turn to bowl.
More conversation She tells me that she is a Christain and our inside joke for the rest of the game is that we 'pray' for a good shot. If she misses, I tease her that God is pissed off at her for being a 'bad girl.' She agrees with my affirmation (she told me on the previous date that she is indeed, not a good girl).
At one point, she teases me for a missed shot. In response, I sit down next to her, get close to her face and say, "hey, look up here." I touch her face and stare into her eyes for a couple seconds. Sounds like I'm gonna kiss her right? I give her the finger instead. She laughs with surprise and disbelief. (BTW, I thought of that one on my own.)
She responds with a tease of her own. She calls me over and I get in her face (thinking she might actually want to kiss this time) and she flicks me in the face instead. Shouldn't have fell for that.
At this point, the date seems to be going well.
After the two games, I give her two options: either stay here or go play billiards. After a bit of thought she chooses billiards. We walk arm-in-arm to the billiards place. I don't think she's familiar with the arm-crick, because she reaches for my forearm instead of my bicep. After a few steps I say, "You're doing it wrong; it's like this," and correct her. She feels up my arm and says "Oh my god... your arms are tiny!" (I am quite tall and slender by nature). I jokingly play like I'm offended "Oh my god, you're so mean" and push her to the side. I brought up the tiny arms thing a couple more times in conversation later that night... jokingly of course.
Here's where it starts turning bad. We get to the billiards place and all the tables are full of smoking guys. I can tell she's uncomfortable, so I quickly lead her out. We stop at the secluded staircase and try to decide what to do. I ask her what she wants to do and she can't think of anything. She says something to the effect of "I don't know," and I said, something like
"That's fine. I don't trust you anyway."
"Why?"
"You're probably thinking of something bad..."
*she ponders for a moment* "Eww, get away from me!"
"Hey, you're the one thinking of dirty things, not me!"
At this point, I begin thinking that she is reacting negatively to my innuendo. Maybe she was being sarcastic, too?
We start walking down the staircase, while I keep C&Fing her. She sounds a tad bit frustrated with me at this point. When we're almost down, she says, "What do you want?"
I couldn't think of something clever to say, so I didn't respond.
Note: I think this would have been an EXCELLENT OPPURTUNITY to put my balls on the line and do this.
*Stop her on the staircase and look her in the eye.
*Respond simply with "you."
*Go for the kiss.
Does that seem like a good idea? Unfortunately, the thought didn't occur to me until several days later.
We walk down the street for a few minutes, having some idle conversation about some topic, and she (again) suggests we go grab a drink. I'm always up for drinking. She picks some random western bar and I agree to it. When we go sit down, she again gives me the "stay away from me!" because of my innuendo earlier. I sit next to her anyway. While drinking, I say something sarcastically (Asian girls have a hard time detecting sarcasm) and she is confused. I tell her that it was just sarcasm. Here, she says something to me... the most important dialogue of the night: "Eighty percent of everything that comes out of your mouth... is a joke." It was at this point I realized... maybe I AM relying too much on C&F. I hate talking about serious things.
Eventually we loosen up a bit and I challenge her to arm wrestling and thumb war. Since we're sitting next to each other, one of us has to move to the other side. She tells me to move, but not wanting to let her be the senior (one of our inside jokes. She is older than me and Korean culture dictates that the junior must follow the senior. See previous date above) I tell her to move. She refuses. Another important point:
Her: "I get it now.... you're trying get control."
Me: "No, I don't want the control... I just don't want you to have it!"
blah blah blah.
I ponder for a bit. I want to move but that would mean that I caved. Finally, I stand up, move my chair out of the way, grab her chair (while she is still sitting in it) and drag it to the other side of the table. "You are crazy!!"
At another point she says,
"You're wierd."
Me:"You like it."
Her:"No, I don't."
Me:"So what do you want me to do?"
Her:"Act normal."
Me:"And how would a normal person act?"
Her *smiling in a ****y way*: "Like me!":yes:
I start immitating her poorly.
"That's now how I act!"
We play thumb war, etc. Then we start having conversation again and I have a hard time hearing her because of the chair in between us. From my seat, with one arm, I push the chair out of the way and drag hers closer to me. "You're pretty good at this!"
We then move on to talk about our favorite music, etc. She suggests some good Korean bands for me, and I don't have anything to write in except my journal, so I break it out in front of her. She starts to read but I stop her
"You want to read my journal?? You're so nosy!"
"You have a journal?"
*sarcastically*"Yeah, I'm a real sensitive guy. I write about my feelings and such."
She gets out hers and shows me a couple pages. It's mostly in Korean but there is some English. I look through the pages until I get to one entry and she pulls it away from me. Something dirty, I guess.
Anyway, we spend a few minutes looking at the pictures in my phone, and I take the oppurtunity to get my face closer to hers. I deepen my voice a little and up the kino. She doesn't really respond. Eventually her mom calls and she has to go. We walk together to the bus stop (she takes the bus whereas I take the subway, right next door). She's is visibly cold and shivering, so I decide to be the "gentleman" and warm her body with mine until the bus arrives. She doesn't respond, but doesn't push me away either. Eventually, the bus arrives and it's time for her to go. She breaks away and walks toward the bus to make sure it's hers. It is. I want to signal her back for a last-ditch kiss attempt, but I think she was aware of my intentions, and instead of walking back towards me, quickly said bye (in a very indifferent tone) and got on the bus.
A few days later, I called her, no answer. She sends me a text later that day. I send one back. No response since.
