"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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On day of text do u guys text in morning or just after work sayin your on way?

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Just checking i got new date tomorrow with a cute client from work and trying to see what to do. i dont see big deal either way. Also whats best way to get her to my house from dave and busters? And do you text day after or wait couple days to call and ask for the next date? What if we have sex tomorrow as well what is the best route. Thanks
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Wait a few days after date to set up the next one. Three days is good. Do not text her the day after. Do this even if you have sex. You have to come across as busy and that you have options. Ask her over for another drink? To see your etchings?
 

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And when you do, don't do the standard "Had a great time blah blah blah" bs.
The amount of guys on here that do crap like this is pretty astounding. It might not make a difference especially if the girl is already interested... but why go out of your way to make yourself look worse? Just, don't do it.

There needs to be like a basic text etiquette sticky to help people understand these very basic concepts
 

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He wants to know if he should verify the date too. I usually don't.
 

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Just checking i got new date tomorrow with a cute client from work and trying to see what to do. i dont see big deal either way. Also whats best way to get her to my house from dave and busters? And do you text day after or wait couple days to call and ask for the next date? What if we have sex tomorrow as well what is the best route. Thanks
It's nice to get laid fifteen minutes after you go out. But you're so focused on that that you are going to blow up the whole thing for it?

Sex starved are you?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I usually make plans with a plate 2-3 days before ideally, though have known to make a plans a week away. If she agrees then sweet.

After that its no contact unless she initiates, on the day I usually text around noon saying

"We still on for tonight?"

If I get anything but a "Yes" I go no contact and end up doing something different.
 

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Also whats best way to get her to my house from dave and busters? Thanks
The best way is to not think about it. Any effort to get her back to your place on a first date will be perceived as you just interested in getting into her pants. If she want to go back to your place great... she will let you know, otherwise just have fun and assume NOTHING is going to happen... this will put you in the proper mind frame.

And do you text day after or wait couple days to call and ask for the next date?
Rule of thumb should be "Why" do you need to text her? If you have a good reason, then go ahead and text her. But if you are just playing digital footsie, you are not doing yourself any favors.

What if we have sex tomorrow as well what is the best route.
No change... Man so many dudes fvck this up. Just because a women sleeps with you doesn't mean jack sh!t anymore. She doesn't like you better, and she isn't lining you up for a relationship... she was just horny and you were there. THAT IS IT. In my experience older women (35 and over) seem to appreciate a causal phone call and a little small talk the next day... no longer than a couple of minutes, but trust your gut, and this is important... IF YOU DON'T WANT TO CALL, DON'T DO IT.

If you cal her the next day... no mention of sex or a next date, period. Just small talk, it could be about something you two talked about before or a question. This lets her know you think of her as more than just a lay.... and improves your chances it will happen again.
 

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I do not confirm the day of. I confirm when I make the date. If she asks me to confirm the day of, I do the takeaway and tell her we can schedule a date in advance when she knows her schedule.

Act as if you're sure she's going to show, because that's how it always works out for you. Why would a man such as you think that she wouldn't?
 

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depends on what you are doing, if a girl lives close or is on the way, I go get her at her home, so 1 hour or 30 min before the time, I just tell her to send me a msg when she is done, so no answers I do something else, in mean time i'm also doing something else.

if I get to meet her in another place, when its the time and I arrive and don't see her I send a msg asking where are you? if not answers or any excuse in 10-15 min I just tell her, well I had something to happen so I will not make it, sorry. and do something else.
 

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You are telegraphing insecurity by asking if you're still on just before the date.

If she flakes you have your answer with respect to her interest level. Similarly, if she remembers and shows up on her own, or better yet gets in touch with you to make sure the date is still on, she's investing and showing interest in you. But I am 100% opposed to contacting her before the date. She's a grown woman and should be able to conduct herself as such and show respect for your time by showing up if she values you.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I don't personally abide by any rules about calling or texting before or after the date. I just don't get pulled in to long ass convo's for a good three weeks, unless I'm on a date with the woman. If she has high interest then none of these so called rules rarely apply. But you should be using the phone for just setting up dates 90% of the time in the beginning.
 

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I like to confirm on the day of. A personal friend of mine will sometimes text or call a girl to say he's changing the orginal destination because of xyz and it works because it confirms and IMO adds to the mystery of yourself.
 

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The topic of confirming the date beforehand has been oft-debated on SS.

I personally almost always confirm ahead. In my mind this is direct, strong communication. I absolutely refuse to waste my time and money on some chick whom I barely know. Just makes sense to me.
Ditto. If neither you nor her has confirmed, there's a decent chance she won't be there. So if you just go anyways and hope she's there, what does that say about how valuable your time is? I realize a lot of guys do this to appear "aloof" but in my opinion it just shows you're dysfunctional and immature more than anything else. "She hasn't said anything, so I won't say anything either... I'm just gonna go, and if she's not there I'll pretend I wasn't there either." Yeah, ok.
 

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Ditto. If neither you nor her has confirmed, there's a decent chance she won't be there. So if you just go anyways and hope she's there, what does that say about how valuable your time is? I realize a lot of guys do this to appear "aloof" but in my opinion it just shows you're dysfunctional and immature more than anything else. "She hasn't said anything, so I won't say anything either... I'm just gonna go, and if she's not there I'll pretend I wasn't there either." Yeah, ok.
I confirm when I make the date. And I leave off by saying "If anything comes up let me know, otherwise I'll just plan to meet you there." And I get a response to that.

Very often they'll confirm with me on the day of.

Bottom line: it is not dysfunctional and immature to expect a woman to manage her own calendar. If you're important enough she will set her own reminders to make sure she's there. And you want a woman thinking "damn, he doesn't think he has to confirm, he must never get flaked on."

EDIT: Also, life is difficult enough. Do you really want to get involved with someone in any capacity where you not only have to keep track of your appointments and manage your calendar, but you have to remind her of her social commitments as well? It may seem benign to begin with, but stop making excuses for women. They have power, agency, and accountability, and can take care of themselves, when it matters to them. If you let them off the hook by coddling them before dates, it will only get worse.
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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If your time is important enough you won't leave it to chance. Just my opinion though.
True, but it's a compliance test. You want to find out her interest level independent of your provocation. You may have to risk time immediately to save time later, but how much? Ten minutes if she doesn't show?

If it's set up right, it's not going to involve you driving or commuting far out of your way anyway. It should be local and last about an hour for the first date anyway.
 

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You may have to risk time immediately to save time later, but how much? Ten minutes if she doesn't show?

If it's set up right, it's not going to involve you driving or commuting far out of your way anyway. It should be local and last about an hour for the first date anyway.
If she hasn't confirmed send a simple text about an hour before, "See you at X." If she doesn't respond, I'm not going. It took 5 seconds to send the text, as compared to driving around, waiting, trying to find her, etc.
 

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We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not managing a woman's calendar for her.
 

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Wait a few days after date to set up the next one. Three days is good. Do not text her the day after. Do this even if you have sex. You have to come across as busy and that you have options. Ask her over for another drink? To see your etchings?
You set up the next date when she reaches out. If she doesn't text you for several days, you always return to the default formula of calling / texting once per week to ask for the next date. Treat all women the same.

Arbitrarily waiting three days can be too distant, especially if she hits you up first. It comes off as over-gaming.

If Don Juan displayed enough value, the lady will send a follow up text within 24-48 hours saying she had a great time, etc. To which Don Juan uses the opportunity to schedule the next date.
 

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You can confirm a date without sounding needy.

Just don't text "are we still on?!?!"

Send something like "Running a bit late, grab a seat at the bar." or something of that nature. I usually do it an hour or so before leaving. That's her opportunity to flake and save me some money.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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