"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Older inexperienced guys

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It's common knowledge that when a woman finds out a man 40 or over is inexperienced, she will reject him. That's a given. I wouldn't even expect 1 out of 1000 to give him a chance.


How does a man fool her into giving him a chance?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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I tried another board with many women members and I got so many self contradictory crap answers I called them out on it and then the mod had the gall to ban me.
This thread isn't about me. I've never had a problem. I can't explain why but women came to me and I've had my share of fun.
 

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Welcome to the forum.

As far as techniques go for getting women and behaving around them I would tell this inexperienced 40-year-old to start with our Don Juan Bible here on sosuave. Then come to this forum for questions and clarifications. And read as much as possible here and engage in conversation as much as possible.

As far as sex technique goes I would tell him to start by watching some amateur porn. We don't have that here but plenty of other places do.
 

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The way everyone is socially conditioned: fake it until you make it. Even the most confident, socially savvy people faked it to begin with, even in childhood. Some people never stop faking it; it's quite obvious in certain people. Maybe they just don't receive quite the correct reinforcement.

Naturals are those who continually fine tune their interactions to become genuinely charismatic people.

A naturally charismatic gentlemen is not one who discusses his love life often, if ever; least of all in the company of women. His success is implied by his charisma with everyone, and, in fact, a relative lack of discussion about his own personal affairs - pertaining to mystery; it is not implied by going around openly telling people about how many women he's banged.

Put it simply; had you never played a hand of poker in your life, would you tell your opponents this, the first time you sat down at the table? I imagine probably not.

I tried another board with many women members and I got so many self contradictory crap answers
You'll see this with people (for example, women and effeminate men) who are heavily conditioned to react with emotion, opposed to methodical and reasoned logic. There's no point fighting it or hating on it; it's simply the way of the world. Again the savvy individual learns to work this to his advantage.

then the mod had the gall to ban me.
The hallmark of a low quality forum. You're better off here. You'll basically have to call nearly everyone a f@ggot at least once before you get a ban :D
 
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An inexperienced guy should play the "dry spell" card if necessary.

First, the guy should fake it until he makes it. In other words, he should try to be intimate with her without mentioning the inexperience and see how it goes. If she comments about the guy's nervousness or awkwardness, he can just say that it's "Been a while." If she asks how long, say "About a year."

Most women can understand and accept a grown man being in a dry spell sometimes. Maybe his last relationship ended, and he got busy with work.

Also, if he's a guy who has NEVER had a gf, he's gonna have to lie when asked about relationship history. How long was your longest relationship? Again try "A little over a year." Anything less than that is considered "inexperience."

TDLR:
For a 40+ guy

Virgin - unacceptable (to women)
Dry spell - ok

Never dated - unacceptable (to women)

At least dated for a year - ok
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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It's common knowledge that when a woman finds out a man 40 or over is inexperienced, she will reject him. That's a given. I wouldn't even expect 1 out of 1000 to give him a chance.


How does a man fool her into giving him a chance?
By not telling her your history. Stay aloof and keep her guessing.
 

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I would like to raise a point here.

If a guy is 40 or thereabouts and either very inexperienced or a virgin, THERE IS PROBABLY A REASON WHY THAT GOES BEYOND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE

I think figuring out that reason is the key to this question.
 

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It's common knowledge that when a woman finds out a man 40 or over is inexperienced, she will reject him. That's a given. I wouldn't even expect 1 out of 1000 to give him a chance.


How does a man fool her into giving him a chance?
Pay enough hookers.
 

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Never admit to being inexperienced. If a woman asks you how many women you have dated reply with quite a few. I like less than a thousand and more than one said with a smile. Be aloof. Evade questions. You don't have to answer just because she asks you. If you are inexperienced with sex read married man sex life primer by anthol kay.

In addition to the DJ bible I would read I feel guilty when I say no, No more Mr nice guy and Practical Female Psychology for the practical man. There are loads of good books out there. These should keep you busy for a bit.
 

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Don't tell her that you don't have any experience in the first place.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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OK, so I was that 40+ year old you're talking about. I turned things around by becoming more social and spiritual... basically getting out of my head. I get plenty of dates, but screen heavily because at my age I can't be bothered with dizzy girls.

Just got two numbers sitting in the local cafe. Method: sit, say hello when they orbit, start talking.
 
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