"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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okay, wtf is going on here

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For women, sex usually indicates that they want to at least entertain something like the possibility of a relationship. So, I'm somewhat surprised that after first sex, they don't get back to you to hang out again and **** two days later. It was a first date ****, I barely knew her. I mean, I totally did not get off (I never get off the first time, after that I get off 95% of the time), she probably didn't get off, my **** was half-mast the entire time, and I, at one point, just beat off for like 5 minutes in front of her trying to get it hard. Girls really want to get off that bad the first time? What's up with those statistics that indicate that so few of them get off from sex? Maybe I'm that damaged goods that I shouldn't be ****ing, lol. I told her I wanted to kill myself a while ago and was super depressed, but I'm over it. My D is average sized around 6 inches length, 6 inch circumference (this measurement isn't average, though lol). I'm a very giving lover, I'll totally eat that bitch out. I've gotten several girlfriends to orgasm with just my D after the first time we have sex, but only then.

haha, whatever. I feel like a slut who just got used, lol.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Yeah, after you have sex it's usually your call if you want to progress to a relationship or not. However, in this case she ****ed you on the first date. That's an indicator that sex is not a big deal to her.

To most girls sex is a great moment of emotion and connection, they're in love with you afterwards even if you didn't get them all the way there. They only let you have sex with them if they trust you to a certain degree so it takes a while, but this girl was obviously just looking to be satisfied sexually, which you failed in.
 

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Sorry to confirm, but she's a slut. You're just the next dick in line to her. If you couldn't even get hard you have very little to offer her. Sounds like you're still working to recognize between quality girls and sluts. Also, don't eat out girls unless you've got commitment from them. Don't want to get chlamydia of the throat like my friend just did.

What is more important is understanding why are you are suicidal/depressed. Need any help?
 

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SEX MEANS NOTHING TO A WOMAN IF DONE EARLY. It just means she was horny. Just like men are sometimes. MEANS NOTHING. EVEN IF YOU GAVE HER GREAT SEX, SHE CAN STILL WALK (especially if she is interested in someone else). But, in this case it seems like performance sealed it. You were nervous, she needs a sex machine. She is a sluvt that needs to be banged hard.
 

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Yeah, son of a bitch... she told me she was a nymphomaniac and told me to come and fuck the **** out of her next time before I left. However, I always lie to women in order to make them feel better, too. Maybe what she said is all a part of being a good female player. She's definitely, oddly enough, higher self-esteem than the last few girls I've dated.

I have one other girl possibly to be about on the hook, but beyond that, no other prospects. There was one third girl I took out last Thursday where we've been friends for a while now, but I constantly **** with her and give her pretty direct non-verbals that I want to **** her (stare her in the eye directly, etc). This is taking way too long if I have had her out >2 times for coffee, had class w/ her once everyday a week last semester, and nothing physical has happened, **** it. I would've straight up blown myself out or gotten laid had I met this girl in a club, party, or social situation where I wasn't going to see her again. I basically ****ed the girl this thread is about so I could have a smooth demeanor around this other total babe of a girl. I had a decent hickey on my neck from ****ing the first girl, so there was proof, lol. I wish she had seen how hot the girl I ****ed is. I hadn't said anything specific, but I just said I hung out with this scientologist girl a few days ago.


I don't believe in the escalation ladder, that stuff is total bull****. It doesn't matter how fast you go so long as the girl is comfortable with you and WANTS to mess around with you. With friends, I've gone from 0 touching to making out for the first time in under a minute and then ****ing 15 minutes later several times. With total strangers, I've done this before a few times, but it's usually preceded by like at least 5-10 minutes of talking, too. Do I just keep letting my perception of the girl's non-verbals reject me? Should I ask her something like: "hey, are you subtle?" and if she asks why say "you know, i think you're kinda cute, right?" Should I go in for the makeout when I hug a girl goodbye (done this before and ****ed the girl the next day when the stench of sex was in the air during a boring first date PUA's would cringe at)? Should I have said "hey [pause] do you think im trying to make out with you?" (pausing indicates sexy intentions, but it's masked by the words, so unless she is retarded, she knows what's up [btw, i feel like returning direct EC is exactly like that with most women unless they are french or players]). Game is SIMPLY sending out signals that put your ass on the line for getting rejected. Nothing more to it, imo.

I've had my head full of so much bullshit from PUA's teaching people that they can manipulate attraction through methods that require conscious awareness, when that is total horseshit. I have ****ed girls telling them I've had suicidal ideations and I'm still really depressed. All the while being very uncharismatic. That pretty much breaks the entire PUA theory.
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Serialized3 said:
What is more important is understanding why are you are suicidal/depressed. Need any help?
Serialized3 said:
If you couldn't even get hard you have very little to offer her.
If you want to help, start by not patronizing the guy.

You probably couldn't get hard because mentally you knew something was up. Any decent girl doesn't **** on the first date, your mind was probably telling you something was wrong or that it was too easy and that took you right out of the moment. Your brain knows that if this girl is giving it up this easily, then odds are this isn't the first time she's done it, and if its this easy then its safe to assume thats shes been with a lot of guys, and your deduction skills concluded that the odds of her having an STD are probably pretty high. So your brain tells you to go f*ck yourself because you clearly have no idea what's in your best interest so it tells your d*ck to stay limp as a wet noodle.

tl;dr your d*ck was trying to save you from getting AIDS.

Contrary to popular belief, guys don't always jump at the chance to **** a hot girl, especially given fishy circumstances or if shes raring to go on the first date. As odd as it sounds - listen to your d*ck. If you can't get hard (and its not whiskey ****) chances are there's something wrong with the situation and your subconscious is telling you to eject.

I know you probably feel used, but honestly, don't even for a second think that she's better than you or anything like that. Put her out of your mind, she's a total sl*t. Seriously. What kind of girl fvcks after the first date? never in a million years would you ever want to be with a girl like that.

I told her I wanted to kill myself a while ago and was super depressed,
To a girl you just now went out on a first date with? Dude, thats what your therapist is for. There's no quicker way to scare a girl off than to start dumping your problems on her before you guys even go out.
 

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Serialized3 said:
Sorry to confirm, but she's a slut. You're just the next dick in line to her. If you couldn't even get hard you have very little to offer her. Sounds like you're still working to recognize between quality girls and sluts. Also, don't eat out girls unless you've got commitment from them. Don't want to get chlamydia of the throat like my friend just did.

What is more important is understanding why are you are suicidal/depressed. Need any help?
I can only **** hot chicks if they're not quality women. This girl the thread is about gets in actual relationships with dudes WAY more chiseled/pretty than I am and dumps them like nothing. One of the dudes was straight up one of the best looking dudes I've ever seen, just a bit on the shorter side at 5'8" and was dominated by her. I feel like a rebound, haha.

My dad died unexpectedly, my batshit bpd girlfriend of 5 mos dumped me a few weeks after that, and then I switched graduate school programs. I'm not feeling deathy anymore, just bummed out. Thus, I have to wait 8 mos at my parents house in a college town in the middle of nowhere (this is how I get the dates, I have tons of friends that go to school here as I went here for undergrad) to get accepted by another graduate program. My life is on pause right now.
 

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blueline said:
One of the dudes was straight up one of the best looking dudes I've ever seen, just a bit on the shorter side at 5'8" and was dominated by her.
A guy's looks don't account for much. He could be brad pitt but if he's an AFC, he'll be completely chewed up and spit out.

My dad died unexpectedly, my batshit bpd girlfriend of 5 mos dumped me a few weeks after that, and then I switched graduate school programs. I'm not feeling deathy anymore, just bummed out. .
Thats understandable why you're down, but again, thats what your close friends and therapist are for - to vent. Don't put that on people you're dating if you want anything to last.

My life is on pause right now.
Only because you're letting it.
 

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yeah man, **** it. i'm just gonna cut this connection off by deleting their numbers. both of those girls, actually. maybe even a third one, too. i actually dislike doing this because i do it so much. 95% of girl's numbers i get that i actually want to have sex with, i delete after they reject a date, have poor non-verbals with me (aka no come-on signals) on a date, or they drop me after sex like this.

when the girl wants you, it's SO obvious. so ****ing obvious that you don't need any advice.

she throws obvious come-on signals, and you go ahead and **** her. throwing the ultimate come on signal of sex and then just peacing is hilariously awesome. good for her, man. glad she got over years of societal discrimination. i just deleted her number, so i don't seem like every idiot who calls her back too many times after ****ing her and her not being interested.
 

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i dunno man, maybe i plow too hard past last minute resistance, but i don't think so. she totally wanted to bang on first date. it's not like we didn't **** for an hour and a half.

the other time i plowed too hard, the girl just looked totally disappointed with herself, was weirded out that my **** wasn't working, and surprised she let herself have sex with me so fast. she pretty much kicked me out after we stopped ****ing. at least she sent me a text message saying she doesn't **** dudes she isn't dating and then deleted me from facebook. then i started ****ing a girl consistently a trillion times hotter than her. this fourth girl still wants to **** bad, but only after a night out. i don't really want to **** her under other circumstances either.

man, this sort of **** makes me not want to **** on first dates anymore. you're probably still screwed with quality girls if you suck at the first time you have sex like i typically do. just can't get it up. after that first time, i'm usually good to go.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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made out with new girl i just met in front of girl this thread is about :D how awesome is that

truly, it's no big deal. the girl the OP is about is a slut/female player. she was in a group of dudes and one of them was grinding on her.
 
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