Okay, I have no problem f-closing girls but..

[Scars]

Alright, well I don't really have any problem f-closing girls. As I've right now I've been with 13 different girls, so I like to think I'm somewhat experienced. The only problem is I feel that these girls are not neccesarily up to my league. Now don't get me wrong, these girls are cute. Easily 7.5-8ish range, and most guys would love to have sex with these girls. But lately I've been comparing myself with my wingman, who always seems to pull the super hott beautiful stunningly gorgeous blah blah blah girls. The 9s and damn near close to 10s and I'm not sure how the hell he does it.

I've taken a few steps back and I've noticed a few things about his game in comparison to mine. He is a lot more of an a$$hole and ****y. For some reason I'm not really into the whole C&F sh!t, because it always seems fake when I do it. I feel like it's never really me, I mean I CAN do it.. but he just does it so naturally. I would rather wait for a girl to show me interest so there's no need for C&F that way I could just easily jump into qualification/seduction. I play more of a MAN role than an a$$hole role. I just like to stand my ground, I don't like to put other people down just to make myself look good, and I'm a lot more mysterious. I'm pretty happy with where I am, but I feel like I'm lagging a little bit compared to my other PUA friends. Seeing as how one has been with two moms (we're all pretty young, so he's kind of seen as a god in our eyes) and the other one has been with a model, and has had a 3some. I don't really have anything cool like that to share and when they bring that stuff up I always just stay quiet.

I've analyzed a few things, and I can see where our game is different. But I honestly don't think my game is flawed.. it works, but I want to change it in a way where I can be the best I can possibily be. Still hooking up with beautiful woman, but not being fake about it.

What do you guys think about it? What seperates the average PUAs from the mPUAs?

 

[ItsOnNow]

You're 18 and been with 13 girls? How?

 

[WC2]

The reason "jerks" and "****y a-holes" pull women in these situations is that they tend to make things more "fun". They spark the entertainment for the night in social situations. They tend to create most the laughs and good times on the night.

While being a man who "stands his ground" is all good and well, it does not attract women as well as a man who is creating the vibe of a social setting.

Obviously by now you know how women work to a certain extent.. I think I was around 12 or 13 near the end of high school too. The only problem is that women back in high school are young and dumb. Getting with that many chicks that young may not mean anything more than the curiosity level of these young chicks.

Anyways, you'll find that the men who change things up and making things exciting are the ones landing women in social circles. They dictate where things are going, who's doing what, and can make everyone laugh no matter what he says (he already has the social proof.. even bad jokes are funny).

Social proof is where it's at.

 

[suavesuave]

13 inflated dolls.

 

[AKA FLEX]

You're 18 and been with 13 girls? How?

That's really not that many. Let's assume he lost his virginity around his 16th birthday. Depending on how long he's been 18, that means he's had sex with 4-6 girls per year, or a different girl every 2-3 months. If he was out banging chicks every weekend, his number would be a LOT higher at age 18.

 

[Prodigy746]

there is plenty of guys here that have never even kissed a girl so you are doing much much better than some people

 

[Scars]

I really don't think it's that high of a number either. My friend (the one I've been talking about) is the same age as me and going on 30.. But in all honesty, I owe 10 of those lays to the seduction community because it wasn't until I started reading this stuff that my number exploded.

Thanks for the great input WC2. I get what you're trying to say. I have gained a lot of social proof in itself just from hanging out with this guy. He's a natural and has taught me a lot of stuff and just hanging out with him has bumped my proof up a lot, but I still feel little in comparison to him. Maybe it's just the apprentice trying to out power the master. It may never happen, but I'm trying to atleast stay at level with him. Unfortunately, it looks like I'm going to have to change my routine a little bit and adapt more to this *******/C&F stuff. Now that I think about it, anytime we hang out with a 2set or a party etc.. he is usually the one that directs the flow of things.. I think I just need to be more of that guy.

Edit: Just sent some rep your way.

 

[I.A.F.Y.B.]

Don't force the C&F and just let it come naturally.

 

[WC2]

I really don't think it's that high of a number either. My friend (the one I've been talking about) is the same age as me and going on 30.. But in all honesty, I owe 10 of those lays to the seduction community because it wasn't until I started reading this stuff that my number exploded.

Thanks for the great input WC2. I get what you're trying to say. I have gained a lot of social proof in itself just from hanging out with this guy. He's a natural and has taught me a lot of stuff and just hanging out with him has bumped my proof up a lot, but I still feel little in comparison to him. Maybe it's just the apprentice trying to out power the master. It may never happen, but I'm trying to atleast stay at level with him. Unfortunately, it looks like I'm going to have to change my routine a little bit and adapt more to this *******/C&F stuff. Now that I think about it, anytime we hang out with a 2set or a party etc.. he is usually the one that directs the flow of things.. I think I just need to be more of that guy.

Edit: Just sent some rep your way.

No problem..

Just an idea maybe also -

Think about hanging out with some different people. While it's nice to learn from others, sometimes you just need to break free and start your own social setting.

I wouldn't call it backing down, but more so gaining some stance with others. Right now your friend runs things in your little group, and thus he's pulling pu$$y. This is a no-brainer.

Make some other friends and become a leader in another group. Gain some confidence and learn how to lead others. By the time you gain your confidence, you'll no longer feel as if you're "small" in comparison to your friend. He's teaching you, but at the same time he's not allowing you to learn on your own and up your confidence. You need a change of scenery every now and then.

 

[Scars]

Not a bad idea. I've been trying to do this actually. But it's kind of hard at the moment seeing as how I wrecked my car, and in the process I lost my job (have no way of getting to work) so that puts a little damper on things. That is part of the reason why we always do what he wants because he is usually the one with the $ and the ride, but I can't complain because I'm still getting laid, and he does pay for me A LOT. But I'm really not going to use that as an excuse, I can always find ways to meet up with friends. Starting my own social circle wouldn't be that bad of an idea.

 

[ready123]

You're 18 and been with 13 girls? How?

because he doesn't waste as much time on the computer as you

and I'll say it again, social proof is nice to have, but it's not a necessity. if you do need it to pull, your game sucks