"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Ok. Help me not screw this one up..

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Aight, well im taking a ballroom dance class at my college and met a few great women. One in particular i do like both romantically and because shees a good dancer. (a lot of the chicks lead but not this one, she is flat out fun to dance with) For now im working my best to act like im just there to dance but i got some numbers to practice at other times in the week. (1 day a week class).
So last week she couldn't make it because of something family planned was going down. I said we should practice that weekend and id call her when i know im free. Called her the day of (ya not good but im on the waterski team and i didnt know what was going on till the day of.) I called her around morning and told her my evening opened up. She said ok and would call me when she finished the errands she had. at around 4 she was to call. Well the call never came so i called her an hr later. no dice and i didnt leave a voicemail. Whatever, i had backup plans just in case. So im at class the next week. She shows up late and i never got to rotate partners to her. End of class i walk past her and she major apologizes and wants to try again. Well im interrupted by my buddy asking if im going this sunday to dance at this bar that most of the class is going to. I had like 4 people talking to me at once but i guess im going with her and meeting my buddy before we hit the bar. Now im wondering what i should do from here. This was last night. Should i call her tonight to plan the evening out. Should i plan it like a date? (pick her up, meet friend and his gf, ect.) Im sick of this endless loop of loosing girls after the first date so i dont wanna f*** this one up. (a girl this hot and single is rair as hell in these parts) im thinking it will be a fun night regardless as long as she doesnt flake again.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Personally after the 2nd try whether by phone or in person I would of just NEXT that shyt right there. Not completely and be all rude to her but just forget her and move on until she shows some more interest.

1. Never trust a woman in what she SAYS but only what she DOES.

They always say I'll call you, or I'll call you back but they never do.

Case in point, way way back in my AFC days and when I was younger there was this girl I really liked she was into me as well I called her around dinner time she said she was eating dinner. She says I’ll call you back as soon as I was done.

The whole night I waited with phone in hand and never happened.

2nd time same girl, I was out she said I’ll call you back around such and such time. I waited 4 hours no call.

And she wasn't the only woman to do this to me.

Women Lie.

NOw don't worry about this ho.

Just show up at the bar and have fun and pick up some other chicks.

Forget about picking her up or calling her and making arrangements your just going to get shot down again.

Just don't worry about her, go to the bar and let the good times roll.
 

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hm

as noted i did have a backup plan since girls like to flake around here. but she only flaked once and wannts to make it up. If she flakes again then its a definite next. She is really cool and easy to keep a convo with. Should i ask whats the chance you cant make it or trust she wont blow it. i am going either way but it would be cool to show up with someone i like to dace with.
 

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If you want to do it then JUST DO IT.

We can't tell you whether you’re going to be successful or not.

We can only tell you experiences and expressed opinions and a little fact but that is all.

So if you want her and you want to try again then by all means do so. Just don't put all your eggs in one basket.
 

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aight

aight well ill just wing and keep ya posted on what goes on.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Advice from a female:

Dude, you keep calling the girl and talking to her, you are coming off as desperate. Women do not like men who seem dependent on them. Women want men who they can depend on. So if you seem like a little boy who is always calling for his mama, then it's a turn off.

I can tell you EXACTLY if she is interested. When you approached her and she apologized, what was her face expression like?

Did she look you straight in the eye with a smile looking like she truly felt bad? OR did her eyes roam around the room, looking down the floor and not smilling? If it's the latter (2nd) then she's not interested.

It is really up to the girl if you are her type or not. Most girls will talk to a guy who is not their type just to be nice. If you really want this girl, try not talking to her for a week. She will wonder why you've stopped talking to her and will come and talk to you. You can then make up a story and act depressed etc... open up to her about yourself, she will like you for that.
 

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ok

i have called her 3 times total in 6 weeks. im not acting desperate at all to her. She flaked once. Yes if she flakes a second time shees gone. Yes she did look me in the eye and her apology felt real. Though right then my buddy and his girl show up and it kinda goes chaotic because everyone started talking and i got all confused lol. She still was the one to bring up the sunday dance first.

The only reason i want to call tonight is because i want to set everything up between the 4 of us. Give everyone enough time. (if i gota pick her up i need an address and a place to meet my friend since i have no idea where this bar is) Should I just flake her offer off and go alone?

The way you say it is i should act depressed because she flaked. Sounds like a hurt puppy. a little immature dont you think?
 

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You totally did not get my drift.

You act hurt because you are having (family problems, you got an F on a test, your bike got stolen etc....) I didn't say act hurt because of her. She should then console you, IF NOT she was never interested in the first place and that you need to move on.

Hmmmmmm 3 phone calls in six weeks? Yes, but how many times did you approach her? just to make sure she doesn't flake on you? I am guessing....a lot, because from your post you seem to stress out how much you come up to her and asked her about this and that. Bad bad move. Ask her ONLY once, maybe twice. You keep bugging her about it, she will get annoyed, loose interest, think you are desperate and flake on you. She will only talk to you to be nice.

Hmmmmmm she looked at you straight in the eye and her apology felt real. How was the tone of her voice like? Was it high pitched? or low and deep?
 

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ahh

ok i got your depressed idea.

As for the desperate thing, i see her once a week at class (if she shows, has missed 2 due to family in town.) I dont go straight for her when i see her, usually i just dance around and might randomly rotate to her or say hi after class and chat a bit. first phone call was a few weeks ago, called to dance but has sis putting on some party for family and couldnt go. no biggie. second call was for the dance last week she flaked on. 3rd was a whatsup call after an hr past when she was supposed to call. yesterday i did not get close to her untill i walked past and she stoped me to apologize. It felt sincere and eye to eye. The tone for what I can remember slightly high because of the loud area and everyone talking.
 

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Originally posted by IM0001
Aight, well im taking a ballroom dance class at my college and met a few great women. One in particular i do like both romantically and because shees a good dancer. (a lot of the chicks lead but not this one, she is flat out fun to dance with) For now im working my best to act like im just there to dance but i got some numbers to practice at other times in the week. (1 day a week class).
So last week she couldn't make it because of something family planned was going down. I said we should practice that weekend and id call her when i know im free. Called her the day of (ya not good but im on the waterski team and i didnt know what was going on till the day of.) I called her around morning and told her my evening opened up. She said ok and would call me when she finished the errands she had. at around 4 she was to call. Well the call never came so i called her an hr later. no dice and i didnt leave a voicemail. Whatever, i had backup plans just in case. So im at class the next week. She shows up late and i never got to rotate partners to her. End of class i walk past her and she major apologizes and wants to try again. Well im interrupted by my buddy asking if im going this sunday to dance at this bar that most of the class is going to. I had like 4 people talking to me at once but i guess im going with her and meeting my buddy before we hit the bar. Now im wondering what i should do from here. This was last night. Should i call her tonight to plan the evening out. Should i plan it like a date? (pick her up, meet friend and his gf, ect.) Im sick of this endless loop of loosing girls after the first date so i dont wanna f*** this one up. (a girl this hot and single is rair as hell in these parts) im thinking it will be a fun night regardless as long as she doesnt flake again.

I think your problem is simple-dont think of it as you dont want to mess up your chance with her but rather, it should be her as* posting this and asking us for advice-you're doing fine man dont sweat it-first though you have to ask yourself:What do I want from this chick? Is it the casual sex friend? a relationship? or the lowly friendship? After you figure that out it should make things become a lot more clear as to what you should do...then based on what you want can this broad give you want.....think about it.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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ya

thats my problem,i think too much though im getting better but the afc in me still shows because i keep getting burned. i always try something different but nothing has gotten me to a second date, let alone a LTR. i keep blowing it and i cant figure out where. i play it cool around women ( not thinking this much or worrying) but something i need to fix i hope doesn't surface this time around so i can reach a new benchmark for once.
 

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Ok, well I called and setup sunday night. Can't pick her up since its kinda outa the way soo were merting up close to the dance. She sounded game and said she will make it she promises lol. This is her second and final chance. If she flakes with no warning shees gone. Also my buddy is bringing his girl as well as a couple other female friends. Sounds like we should have a fun filled evening wether she shows or not. I've read the bible but what little things can I do that might get her a bit jealous and/or increase the IL a bit more?
 
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