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[Tao of Steve]

I have little problems getting #'s when I ask for them. I find that it is very rare that I am overtly rejected when asking for #'s. My % is about 90%.


However, the majority of those #'s rarely turn into a date.

id say about 75% of them flake out. They either never pick up. If I leave a mesage they don't respond. Or they give me a run around - 'call me back in 10 minutes Im in my car now' - and then they dont pick up.

what are others succes rates of #'s turning into a 1st date?

perhaps a 25% success rate indicates that I am not being selective enough?

 

[decades]

women don't like to tell you NO to your face.

mike

 

[CGE333]

Better to have them flake out then- then after you have gone out with them for a year or two. Look on the positive side- you are getting them weeded out early.

 

[Soma]

You need to build more attraction and RAPPORT. Once you do, your flake rate will decrease dramatically.

 

[Survivor]

Hmmm. This topic seems more appropriate for the main board.

Moved to Don Juan Discussion.

 

[-.-]

Originally posted by CGE333
Better to have them flake out then- then after you have gone out with them for a year or two. Look on the positive side- you are getting them weeded out early.

yeah, but then the question stands. why are they flaking out so early? i mean, it's not even early, it's beyond that.

 

[JT47319]

Because there's nothing in it for the girl. He hasn't really displayed any kind of value that would entice her on a date. If it's just a 5 minute interaction, you have to convey a lot of personality to intrigue her. Otherwise she's going to base everything on looks. And why should she go out to market when she has a cow at home (every girl has 'Break In Case of Emergency' co ck)?

 

[Tao of Steve]

So the success rate of about 25% of girls who give me their number will actually answer the call, and actually meet me: IS this low on average?

put another way - for every 10 girls who give their #, how many should one expect to actually not flake and go out with you at least once? 1 of 10? 5 of 10? 8 of 10?

 

[Don Juanabbe]

Originally posted by Tao of Steve
what are others succes rates of #'s turning into a 1st date?

I've had 4#'s that have turned into a first date so to speak, out of 10 in the last couple months, so I'm not complaining.

I haven't asked for that many because I don't waste my time with cold approaches. I only ask if I'm reasonably certain the woman is interested, and if I'm not sure then I won't bother.

Two of those women gave me their numbers voluntarily out of those 4, without me asking, and those two I shagged.

I went home with another girl I met without asking for her number, but she kicked me out once things started to get hot and heavy so I won't count that one. I mean, why invite a guy home with you if you're gonna do that?

 

[JT47319]

Re: Re: % of succesful # closes...

Originally posted by Don Juanabbe
I went home with another girl I met without asking for her number, but she kicked me out once things started to get hot and heavy so I won't count that one. I mean, why invite a guy home with you if you're gonna do that?

Because you didn't disarm her ASDs. Just another feature of the game.

 

[Don Juanabbe]

Re: Re: Re: % of succesful # closes...

Originally posted by JT47319
Because you didn't disarm her ASDs. Just another feature of the game.

You're probably right. I was pretty drunk at the time too. My mistake.

 

[JT47319]

LOL, whisky di ck. Gotta love it.

 

[Kourt]

yeah I get this a bit too

 

[TheInfamousCBear]

Re: Re: Re: % of succesful # closes...

Originally posted by JT47319
Because you didn't disarm her ASDs. Just another feature of the game.

What are ASD's? Wait, you like to use alot of acronyms, so just tell the ones you use the most so I wont have to keep asking....

 

[Tempest]

i recently just started doing cold approaches. slow results so far, but i'll share what i've learned.

this is just based from what i've mainly learned from deangelo.

get the number or email (he preferably does e-mail, because it's EASIER to follow up with).

deangelo has mentioned that sometimes he simply walks up to a girl and says "hi, i'm in a hurry and would love to stay and chat. do you have e-mail?" this is a quick and effective way to get the e-mail.

as she writes down the e-mail, just say "feel free to write your number down too." you now have both of her contact information, depending on whichever you prefer. the plan here is to FOLLOW UP AFTERWARDS. there's no way you could develop the attraction just with that one sentence, unless you're extremely good looking or go into deeper conversation.

anyways, e-mail the girl, or add her to MSN (depending if she has msn or whatever). i'm really good at interacting online. i'm C+F, dominant, and can build the attraction. after a good conversation with her, ask her for her number again, call, chat for a bit and set up the date.

this may be a more effective way to prevent the flaking. just a suggestion.

 

[Tao of Steve]

my problem isn't getting #'s or email - that is relativley easy for me now - i can get #'s and emails all day. the problem is getting them to actually go out with me.

if i spent my whole day walking up to girls and doing what deangolo recomends, i know i can get 15 emails a day. the chances of those girls answering the emails is the prob.


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[Mr Spitfire]

There could be any number of things in your approach that is causing the problem.

You said that one told you to call back 10 minutes later. That means call me in 3 days or you are a chump and wasting my time.

Its no wonder she didnt answer.

Girls you dont know AT ALL play the most games. You have to know the rules inside and out. And the hotter they are the more games they play and less eager you have to be. They know what you want. They want you to be a man about it and not need them or put up with their crap.

If you think they just told you a lie hang up the phone as if you were suddenly and unexpectadly disconnected.

Then call back about 10 minutes later and say someone hit power box or something outside but everything seems fine now.

Match their lies.

 

[Tempest]

Originally posted by Tao of Steve
my problem isn't getting #'s or email - that is relativley easy for me now - i can get #'s and emails all day. the problem is getting them to actually go out with me.

if i spent my whole day walking up to girls and doing what deangolo recomends, i know i can get 15 emails a day. the chances of those girls answering the emails is the prob.

good. e-mail them, but e-mail them something INTERESTING that will catch their attention. if they don't reply within a few days, write back and say "what, playing hard to get already?"

if you get the chance, talk to them on MSN. this is great, 'cuz they'll practically talk to ANYONE over msn. there's no risk for them. this will give you the opportunity to BUILD the attraction, and they will WANT to talk on the phone with you and go out with you.

it's probable that you're not building up the attraction when meeting them. you are seeking their approval, and they are qualifying you. if she's really attractive, she's probably categorizing you with all the other losers that approached her that day. she can't go out with ALL of them. she has to disqualify them fast. i don't really know how to overcome this. the only option i can think of is to follow up on the phone or MSN/e-mail.

try to setup the bar for flaking. if they say, "call me back in 10 minutes", respond with "no, you call me back." and give her your number. then say, "on a scale of 1-10, what're the chances you're going to return the call?" if she says anything below 8, just say "oh, forget it, i don't have the patience for flakers". if she then says "okay, i'll definetly call back", then you're set. if you've heard deangelo's cd series, you will know about that technique.

other than that, not sure bro. i think we just need to think of ways to get past that biatch shield and show her that you're not like all the other losers that kiss her ass.

 

[Tao of Steve]

so what are others (honest) percentages of cold street pu's who give u theri numbers and actually go out with you?

i am with the majority of the pu community who feel emails are not the way to go.


as far as matching their game playing, i dont know if thats good advice.