Obscure idea? Or Global "community service"?

[Vulpine]

Ah-ha!

With such a premium arguement against, one is left with a taste of:

"What kind of woman is worth that kind of effort? Show me one."

in their mouth.



Perspective. Thanks for it.

Either the rate is $50k, or no deal, LOL! I'm sure worth more than $20k. Wow, I feel like a regular commodity! Watch for me on the NYSE! Buy your VLP now before the share price goes through the roof!

With that perspective, this whole "global community service" thing seems like the deal where someone rescues a person and saves their life, then the person turns around sues the rescuer's azz because they had to get a leg amputated or something stupid like that.

 

[sparky0000]

Stay in America. I see too many creepy looking Western guys in Ukraine, Estonia, and Latvia as it is. I definitely don't want you filming videos of waitresses and posting them on the Net :nono:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2e4--yYaeQ .........
And do I even need to mention NO maid videos. Easy does it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDSxxIIttbE&mode=related&search=

British dudes are even worse. Stupid stag idiots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsv4EtigDEI
**All I need is for one of you to become another Allan Austin :nono:
**That move at the 2:33 mark is a move that I have seen one too many times. It is the move of a 50 plus year old man who can't believe that he has just turned 18 and sexy.

Just a word of warning. Lots of females get into prostitution. I can't tell who is or who isn't a teen prostitute. Most of the places are freaking cold as the North Pole on a mild day. Dark all winter. Can't drink the water. Trust me, I...er...Nobody wants you around :cuss:

Stay Home and Have A Very Merry Christmas :flowers:

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I'm telling you, the mail-order bride idea is just Cap'n Save a Ho writ large and the last refuge of an uber AFC.

 

[MacAvoy]

You know what, it sounds like a big set-up for one-itis. A "one-itis" pit instead of a money pit... a bit of both, actually.

Agreed it is a huge "one-itis" pit. Everything that you would have to do to make this work, essentially are the things that lead most AFC's to oneitis which is why I said if you were going to pursue it to make sure you keep spinning plates in the real world.

 

[Latinoman]

My post is not directed to Vulpine or anyone in particular. It is more of a general observation.

I see how intriguing would be to date women from different cultures. I am from a different culture as I’m Latino and have slept with my share of white and black and Latino women. However, I personally don’t believe on the Mail Order Bride concept. Or in the Bride for $$$ scam either as it will certainly land you in jail.

There other ways to accomplish the dating thing with the potentially more emotionally stable foreign women (with foreign I mean a woman outside the U.S/Canada/and their Territories). And note that I use the term “potentially”. Having being in Europe and having also interacted with Asia women…I can see how some of you might consider dating them. Heck, I don’t have a problem either!

What ways would I suggest?

1-Relocation via Work (Peace Corps; U.S. State Department Foreign Officers; English Teachers; Oil drilling)

2-Vacation travel (even if it means back packing)

3-Business travel (by having a job that allows you to travel overseas)

4-International Clubs (especially if you live in the NY or D.C. or Chicago area that appear to be places where this kind of clubs of young professionals exist)

With #1 and #3 you are actually bettering yourself as you are also enhancing your career…your resume…your salary (you are getting paid)..and with #1 you might also learn a new language. With all 3 of them you are also enhancing your cultural/social portfolio. #4 is just not different as going to dancing classes or happy hours or even dealing with exchange students and hope to be lucky a NON-americanized woman is part of the club…so I added #4, but 1-3 are the strongest suggestions.

In a nutshell, you are enhancing your life with 1-4. YOUR life.

With the “Mail Bride Order” mentality, you are actually sacrificing your life in order to enhance hers. Like Rollo Tomassi said, the “Save the Ho” mentality.

Now…here is the thing…whatever you do…make sure you are doing it to make YOU happy. And always be aware of the legalities behind it.

 

[Vulpine]

I'm telling you, the mail-order bride idea is just Cap'n Save a Ho writ large and the last refuge of an uber AFC.

I'm seeing it that way more now. You'd have to be pretty hard up to jump through all those hoops to get laid. And as far as hobbies go, it doesn't seem very fun OR rewarding. I mean, I have hobbies that I make a little money doing, or at least some exercise - I get something out of them. I wouldn't get anything out of this except some some temporary attention from a woman (and a lot of headaches).

I could pull it off, but only as a "hobby", and only to get paid some substancial cash. I am pretty far being hard up, I already have plenty of hobbies that I don't have time for, and I don't have any urge to save any ho's - and they MAY ACTUALLY BE HO'S!

Bottom line is, there is no promise of reward for the investment of time and money - it's a dangling carrot over a tiger trap: you could run, jump, snatch the carrot while in the air and potentially make it unscathed... but why risk it? You could climb the tree and pull the carrot up... but why bother? It's just a carrot!

I could just walk down to the supermarket and pick up a dozen of them for a dollar.

What's more, and shame on me for not seeing it this way sooner, if I travel it's going to (and should be) just because I want to travel, not for a woman. (Unless, of course, the trip is free and I'm getting paid for it.)

Hey, I could flip this... take the money, travel, then leave the Russian chick in Russia without $20k. Scam the scammers!

 

[Last Man Standing]

"V" I understand your desire to get a foreign girl considering that you not only live in America but in Wisconsin!!

Just don't replace a local hor with a foreign one!!!

 

[wayword]

I'm telling you, the mail-order bride idea is just Cap'n Save a Ho writ large and the last refuge of an uber AFC.

Are Donald Trump & Tiger Woods "uber AFC's?"

Or just super-alphas who have chosen to import superior foreign products due to their more refined tastes and greater selection power? Similar to an alpha male here stocking exotic foreign wines vs Budweiser?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Apples & oranges WAYWORD. Celebrities and exceedingly wealthy men have opportunities with women average guys can't dream of. That said, I'm not sure Trump would be a man I'd hold up as an example for marriage, foreign or otherwise,..heh. And I'd hardly think that Tiger felt it necessary to "order" his Swedish swimsuit model from a foreign dating site. That and it's not like she wasn't making quite a bit of money modeling before Tiger came along.

What this really is is a commercialized exploitation of the AFC dynamic. Patronize insecure chumps and sell them their fantasy - easy sex with a woman who'd appreciate being lifted out of their conditions. Cap'n Save a Ho gets hooked up with the Hooker with the Heart of Gold - pure fantasy. All it is is one more buffer, one more insulation for a an AFC from actually having to risk rejection in person.

You want to go hook up with a chick in Guatemala? Great, book a vacation out there and meet some of them face to face. It's not that I disagree with the want to meet foreign women, but rather the method.

 

[Vulpine]

Indeed. If I had the millions of dollars Trump or Tiger have, I wouldn't be here. I'd be macking face to face with foreign broads, I could travel all I want with no care of "getting to work in the morning". That's like comparing people in an alternate universe to my situation. But it is relative to the AFC arguement.

This thing is starting to remind me of the woodsman and the ax. You guys are insisting that I settle for an ax that wasn't what I had envisioned. I'm bummin'. Then again, considering all the effort... I probably should settle, right? It's a lot of grindstone turning to get a Russian chick over here, then she might not chop wood worth a sh!t when I do.

Yeah, RT, the method is pretty lame. The ones online are on there for the same reasons American chicks are online: fat, crappy attitudes, AW's, single mommies... etc.

 

[Sinistar]

You want to go hook up with a chick in Guatemala? Great, book a vacation out there and meet some of them face to face. It's not that I disagree with the want to meet foreign women, but rather the method.

That was my vote earlier. Get out, do some travelin' and meet them outside the bias of the USofA.

What's more, and shame on me for not seeing it this way sooner, if I travel it's going to (and should be) just because I want to travel, not for a woman. (Unless, of course, the trip is free and I'm getting paid for it.)

Yeah man, that's the right attitude.

I love traveling for pleasure and will only go if I can enjoy one or more of my hobbies, actually I usually arrange the trip around those hobbies. And I have yet to regret any of those trips. Now to do a trip just to meet women ... complete waste of time and money in my book. And the best part, you always seem to meet them when you least expect it!

Forget the woodsman and his ax, you're a hunter dude so why not set up a several week long (or longer) hunting trip overseas. And sample the local females while you're there, if you have the time for them That's win-win in my book and win-win rocks!!!

 

[Vulpine]

Forget the woodsman and his ax, you're a hunter dude so why not set up a several week long (or longer) hunting trip overseas. And sample the local females while you're there, if you have the time for them That's win-win in my book and win-win rocks!!!

HOLY SHIZZIZZLE! YOU'RE A FACKIN' GENIUS! Oh... my... gawd... go 'roo hunting in Australia would be a gas! From what I've seen/heard, 'roo are good eats, and you can get some $$$ for their pelts. Maybe track down some red stag!

Duh! That's brilliant. You're getting repped, dawg - good fackin' eye!:flowers:

 

[ElChoclo]

Actually Vulpine, we do have free ranging red deer here. Courtesy of the acclimatisers of the 1800s. We also have free ranging sambar deer, fallow, rusa ,hog deer and chital. If you know where to go, you can get them, virtually for free. Or go guided and for a trophy fee of something like $2,000 USD you can bag a sambar in Victoria. Kangaroo needs a culling permit however, at least theoretically.

The skins aren't worth much, strangely enough though, they get sent to China to be turned into a top grade leather which is light and strong, therefore used for expensive soccer shoes and dance shoes.

As for your venture. Regard the points of MatureDJ as the last word, also RT. It is summer here. Go to the Barrier Reef area in Queensland. You will meet many backpackers. Moscow is a refrigerator this time of year. Hell, we even let your type in without a visa. Heaven knows why.

 

[Vulpine]

Kangaroo needs a culling permit however, at least theoretically.

The skins aren't worth much, strangely enough though, they get sent to China to be turned into a top grade leather which is light and strong, therefore used for expensive soccer shoes and dance shoes.

Well, white tail deer here are "managed" here also, along with virtually every other huntable species. You have to get a license and apply for carcass tags, etc. I imagine 'Roo are mangaged in a similar method. If not, it would be a slaughter like Buffalo here back in the 1800's and early 1900's. They were virtually wiped off the planet due to over-harvesting. Poaching would be out of control if it weren't for some regulating.

Funny thing, about the fur. It's surprising to find that there is still a healthy market for pelts, furs, etc. Here, they take deer hides and make really nice gloves out of the leather... not unlike what they are doing with Roo pelts - you only get like 5-10 dollars for them. Also, since I've been trapping, I've learned some of the other markets. I'm a huge fan of tradition, and the Great Lakes region was almost entirely established by the fur trade.

A hunting trip seems like the best excuse to travel I've heard yet. I don't have any interest in African Safari exotic type sh!t, I'd much rather hunt Russian wild boar or something realistic where I can come home with a bunch of meat and a cool mount for my den. I don't care to track down anything threatened for an "exotic trophy".

I'll have to research a bit and see about import/export of my rifles, species per location, permits/laws/restrictions/seasons, and things like that. Sure, there's a bunch of screwing around, but again... it's an experience.

It would be cool to find a buddy to go with. However, I have two distinct types of friends: smooth cats that I run with to mack on broads, and snaggle-tooth hee-haw rednecks that I hunt with. It's tough to find guys that are both smooth and outdoor saavy. The clean-cut guys are always into golf and uppity sh!t, the Nascar hillbillies don't do so well with the ladies (well, they do well with russian wild boar types).

Hell, we even let your type in without a visa. Heaven knows why.

It's simple: I smell good, that's why.

 

[Desdinova]

From what I've seen/heard, 'roo are good eats, and you can get some $$$ for their pelts.

While you're down there, get one of those Kangaroo nutsack change purses (and yes, I'm fvcking serious about that!).

http://www.australiagift.com/sale/scrotum_1.htm

 

[Vulpine]

Blah. Just hop on Ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kangaroo-SCROTU...oryZ1469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Two words: DEEZ NUTZ!

:crackup:

Too bad they don't leave them hairy!

 

[edger]

Vulpine, I realize you're not an AFC, but to still go forth with it just for the hell of it, is still an AFC act.

 

[Vulpine]

No, an AFC act would be to tollerate a fat American woman's crap.

Anyway, I'm rummaging around online...
Errrgh...

Hunting trips, when billed as such, are several thousand dollar packages. Some of these places charge by the pound for "Trophy Fees"! How big of an animal to you want to shoot? How much money do you have? And most of these deals aren't what I would consider "hunting" at all:

"Our driven hunts are typically over feeding areas where the herds are cultivated to ensure maximum trophy size."

or

"... via helicoptor..."

or

"On a good day, you can see 80-100 from the boat!"

or

"Our guides will take you to where the animals are known to be on our vast private land..."

Cool. Yay. That's great. Plunk down $10,000 and we'll let you shoot one of our baited game farm animals. Our guides will even stake out a big one for you! Package includes luxurious lodging, transport, visas, food, and taxidermy! We take care of everything - you just roll down the window and pull the trigger! *Private chef and select vintage wines available.

Yeah... and they call that "hunting". Wow. Sporting. I can just imagine the awesome stories to tell...

"It was dope! My guide Yuri drove me right to where he knew it would be! He was great! We got out, loaded up the rifle, walked 100 yards up the hill, and sure enough, there it was! So, I raised up my gun, put the crosshairs on it somewhere (I don't even remember where, I was so excited and tired from the walk), and squeezed the trigger! Oh, man, I wish you could've been there! We had some beers, threw the beer cans on the ground, took some pictures, he cut off the head for me, and we went back to the lodge! The whole thing took an hour! Sweet!

Nah. If I go "hunting", I want to camp in the woods. What I need is a deal where they help you with legalities, pick you up at the airport, get you through customs, hand you hunting tags/permits, then drop you off in the woods. "Here ya go, good luck. We'll pick you up in a week!"

Or hook up with some farmer having problems with wild animals wrecking his crops. "Hey, guy, if you blast these damn animals trashing my fields, I'll let you stay in the extra bedroom and we'll feed ya, what do you think? Ok, well, you can hunt from here over to there. I talked to the neighbors and they say you can hunt all the way over to there. Look out for their dogs and horses though."

I'm almost willing to bet that importing a Russian chick is cheaper and less hassle than going overseas to hunt. Hmm.

I'd need someone local to direct me to public hunting grounds and inform me of the local laws. Like, pal up with another hunter who goes out in the area and tag along with them. That would be the way to go. ElChoclo, do you hunt?

 

[Sinistar]

Did a google search for australian hunting forums and found this one right away...

http://aushunt.com.au/Forum/

...looks like you have to register to view the posts. Maybe a few contacts here will answer (or lead you to answers) on how to enjoy a more realistic hunt and give you the skinny on the firearms import rules

 

[Vulpine]

I saw that site in my searching.

*sigh*

Lots of research to do.

You know what, now that I'm seriously thinking about Australia, I should talk to my father about it, maybe pull some strings. He's got a half-brother living in AU. Dude might just know what's up and be able to facilliate something. Maybe my Popz would want to make the trip, again.

Also, I hear I have a "half"-cousin there. From what they tell me, she's a hotty. Hmm... Hmmm....