Objection to the DJB

[hjsknksbm]

From the DJB:

"Another thing, to be a DJ, you have to pretend like you are not attracted to any chicks. You don't hate them, you're just not attracted to them. Don't let them know you are attracted to them first. That's why most chicks attracted to you are chicks you weren’t attracted to in the first place."

This is stuipid. Stop playing fuccing games. Express your sexuality. She will either have to accept or reject it. But if you don't express it and act not interest. You may fall into the friends list. THis seems WAY TOO passive. There's nothing wrong with waiting to get signals and go in for the kill. but don't let her signals dictate ur behavior. I like the more aggressive approach. FRom my own personal experiences when i made unwanted sexual advances in which i was rejected, the girls were much more flirtatious with me than with the girls that i was well behaved with. Discover urself. Be what nature intended you to be. Be a man.

 

[xblitz44x]

Good post. Unfortunately though, the bible will never change because it will always reflect the perception of the sole administrator. no offense to whoever that may be, but he has his idea of what is a "good, useful" post and he will decide what gets deleted and added.

 

[So pimp its scary]

I think that you fail to realise one little factor.... that is that typically the people that most need the DJ bible are mostly AFC to the core, and OVERLY express their sexuality when they have the opportunity.

The object isn't so much to hide your desires, but more to control your desires, rather then being swept up in the intensity of the moment and declaring your undying affection for those oh so godlike woman that have graced your presence.

Although, it might be beneficial to allow for multiple different strategies rather then the one DJ philosophy that soo many are trying to adopt. To paraphrase the guy in 'the tao of steve', for those hot guys that can just get by on there looks you can just say what you want and get away with it, but for us guys; we need alot more work and a little intelligence to get what we want.

And, your last paragraph basically contradicts what you said, and agrees with the philosophy in the DJ Bible... it's to develop the patience to find these buying signals and then pounce on them.

I belive it was anti0dump that said "Success is being with woman (women) that have high IL, and failure is being with a woman with LOw IL."

So, our main job is to figure out the girls IL.

 

[xblitz44x]

I understand. But I think it would be more effective for these "AFCs" to understand WHY they feel like they must depend on a certain girl, and also (like DJs) act a certain way to get the girl (give her flowers, etc). Don't you see, the tactics in the bible are no better than the tactics that an AFC use. They are both becoming some fake, fictional character in hopes that their actions will get them the girl. The difference is by following the 'rules' in the bible, you may be able to sell an illusion initially enough to get laid. But that's at best, just an illusion.

I think a more effective way would be to get to know WHY we feel that we have to become ANYBODY else, (be it DJ, or flower-giver) to get a girl. We are attractive as we are. But we'll never see that until we learn about ourselves.

 

[hjsknksbm]

I'm speeking from experience. Even when I have made unwanted advances where I was shut down coldly. Eventually when I saw the girl again they treated me differently and where more flirtatious. Think about it. AFCs are affraid to express their sexuality. Just be natural and let go of rejection. Today I literally snuck up behind a girl said hi talked for about 30 seconds ened the conversation and got her number and believe me i'm not on the high end of the looks scale. My confidence that I radiated gave me the appearance that I was the catch. If I acted like a "DJ" and didn't show interest would I have the number? NO! THE DJ BIBLE NEEDS TO BE EDITED AND RAN BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!

 

[hjsknksbm]

another thing, i can see where i would be bad to to verbally profess your feelings for a girl. But showing your feeling isn't AFC at all. IE. Never ask to kiss a girl, just do it!

 

[hjsknksbm]

another thing, i can see where i would be bad to to verbally profess your feelings for a girl. But showing your feeling isn't AFC at all. IE. Never ask to kiss a girl, just do it!

 

[Nicholas Hill]

Click here and stop whining!

http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41603

 

[Milez]

Originally posted by Nicholas Hill
Click here and stop whining!

http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41603

so what`s the result of the discussion on that thread?

 

[JJMcLure]

You ever heard the saying "fake it 'till you make it"?

It can be one of the best ways to learn for a lot of people. If that's different for you - that's OK, everyone learns at a different speed and responds to different methods (and teachers).

I can see both up and down sides to the quote.

An AFC who has no clue about women and tells them he "loves them" and buys flowers when they haven't even spoken before, because he is infatuated from a distance. Well, this tip applies to him - no doubt. He will probably fall flat on his face a few times, but it will help him progress to a higher level (that's called learning).

But at a more advanced level, pretending you are not attracted should not be necessary as you exhibit high enough value that she hopes to hell you are attracted to her. But the DJ at this level will "show his attraction" in a totally different way from the guy above who the quote applies to.

So I think the quote stands.

Your suggestion telling people to "just be sexual" is not useful. Being comfortable with their sexuality and themselves is a level that people need to attain, but that COMES from experience - the posts in the bible help people achieve that experience. People can't "just do it" - either through being afraid, or not knowing how.

You say you have made sexual advances and got rejected, but a lot of AFCs could not even do that. They think girls hate sex, that having sex with her would degrade her, they get infatuated with a chick thinking she is perfect. The quote applies to them, because they spill emotions all over her way early.

 

[So pimp its scary]

First of all, Nicholas... are you trying to get rid of your position as administrating the DJB? Cause if you are, try and find someone worthy to replace.... if not, please stop whining about it...

Now, back to the issue at hand.

"Today I literally snuck up behind a girl said hi talked for about 30 seconds ened the conversation and got her number and believe me i'm not on the high end of the looks scale. My confidence that I radiated gave me the appearance that I was the catch. If I acted like a "DJ" and didn't show interest would I have the number? NO! THE DJ BIBLE NEEDS TO BE EDITED AND RAN BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!"

Let's see in this example just how you were following the principles...
a) You followed the 3 sec. Rule.
b) You approached her, but were obviously detached from the result of the conversation (You wouldn't have been hurt if the girl said no)
c) You ASKED for her number.

Also, it's been said repeatedly in many different ways, but we all know here that it's not the looks that you have, it's how you carry the looks that yo got. I mean, I got 7.8 on hotornot, and a 3.x on face the jury. Just to say that I'm clearly nothing exceptional... yet I still manage to pull.

another thing, i can see where i would be bad to to verbally profess your feelings for a girl. But showing your feeling isn't AFC at all. IE. Never ask to kiss a girl, just do it!

Once again, STRAIGHT out of the freakin bible.

Now... after reading this post I can come to one of two conclusions.

1 - You didn't even READ the bible.
2 - You read it, but MISSED the whole point.

You obviously caught a much different message then I did (if you even read), when I read the bible I saw tha it told me to improve on my life, make myself busy, get some hobbies, etc. So that it's not playing games, but I really am such a busy person that these 'games' play themselves. I also learned to go out an take risks, get shot down, the worst that can happen is hearing NO, it's imporatant to be detached to the results of an interaction with a woman, also to have a 'just do it' attitude, do anything is better then doing nothing, etc.

You are right, there are some posts that don't deserve to be in the DJB, but those are in the minority. Also, for the most part Nicholas only adds posts to the bible that have a sort of consensus on their value to the DJB.