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Nullifying the Drug War

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Before you read this great article, RECALL, all the shows on TV where the jury supposedly MUST judge a criminal case based on law instead of also judging the law. It's a lie that is suggestive programmed into brains right from television.


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Nullifying the Drug War
 
Jacob Hornberger
Campaign for Liberty
April 20, 2011

No doubt to the chagrin of many judges across the land, a New Hampshire jury has shown, once again, that juries are the final judges of both the law and the facts in criminal cases, contrary to what all too many judges falsely inform juries in their courtroom.

The New Hampshire case involved the drug war. A man named Bob Constantine was charged with felony possession of marijuana, to wit: growing marijuana plants in his house. Constantine suffers from arthritis, and there was no evidence that he used the marijuana other than simply consuming it himself. Apparently, some nosy neighbor snitched on Constantine to the authorities.

Constantine defended himself at the trial. Before trial, he was offered a plea bargain involving a guilty plea to misdemeanor marijuana possession with 60 days in jail. It would have been a smart move to take the plea, given that Constantine had no defense to the felony charge. However, Constantine knew that this is how the drug war is often played, and he decided not to play the game. He went to trial and rolled the dice, obviously hoping that the jury would engage in some jury nullification.

I don’t know anything about the particular judge in Constantine’s case, but I am familiar with the general attitude that judges have toward jury nullification. They hate it. In fact, they hate it so much that they have come to lying to juries about the power of the jury to judge the law in criminal cases.

Once both sides in a criminal case have provided their evidence to the jury and rested their cases, the judge reads a formal set of instructions known as “the charge”to the jury. In those instructions, the judge sets forth the parameters for the conduct of the jury. For example, he informs the jury that it must presume the defendant innocent and must refuse to convict the defendant unless convinced of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The judge also tells the jury that it is the sole judge of the facts in the case. The jury decides which of the witnesses are telling the truth and who aren’t. It weighs the evidence and determines guilt or innocence.

The controversy comes with respect to the law itself. Judges tell juries that they do not have the power to judge the rightfulness or wrongfulness of the law that the defendant is being charged with. Or the jury is simply told that it must accept the law as the judge provides it in his charge.

But the judge is lying. The truth is that the jury has the power to judge the law, even if the judge fails to tell the jury of such power. Once the judge hands the case over to the jury, the jury has the power to acquit the defendant for whatever reason it wants, including the fact that the jury finds the law to be immoral or unconscionable, and there isn’t anything the judge can do about it.

Consider, by comparison, a civil suit. After both sides have rested in a civil suit, the judge has the power to enter what is called an “instructed verdict.”He does that if there are no facts in dispute. Since there is nothing for the jury to determine, given that both sides agree on the facts, the judge can dismiss the jury and enter judgment for the side he believes should prevail on the law.
Not so, however, with a criminal case. Even if all the facts are agreed upon — even if the defendant openly confesses on the witness stand to having committed the offense — the judge lacks the power to dismiss the jury and summarily enter judgment for the state. The judge must nonetheless send the case to the jury because the jury is the final judge of not only the facts but also the law. It has the power to acquit the defendant even if the evidence conclusively establishes that the defendant has committed the offense.
That’s what happened in Constantine’s case. To the judge’s credit, he apparently permitted Constantine some latitude in his final summation to the jury, during which he asked the jury to acquit him of the felony charges. One or more members of the jury refused to convict on the felony offense despite the fact that the evidence was undisputed that Constantine was growing marijuana plants in his home. Absent a unanimous verdict, the jury hung on the felony charges. Unfortunately, however, the jury did unanimously vote to convict Constantine of the misdemeanor charge, and the judge sentenced him to the same 60-day jail sentence and $1,000 fine that he would have received with the plea bargain.

According to an article about Constantine’s case by Carla Gericke, president of the New Hampshire Free State Project, entitled “Live Free and Nullify,” the New Hampshire state senate is now considering a bill requiring judges to tell juries the truth regarding their power to nullify and permitting defendants and their attorneys to argue the matter to the jury.

The Constantine case make two valuable points: One, juries have the power to nullify bad laws, regardless of whether or not judges inform them of such power, and, two, at least some jurors are refusing to be willing agents of the cruel and tyrannical war on drugs.


http://www.infowars.com/nullifying-the-drug-war/
 

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At law school, my criminal procedure textbook was about 600 pages long. Jury nullification was given one small paragraph. I asked the professor about the topic in class, and he pretty much screamed at me for bringing it up and refused to talk about it at all. He was also a prosecutor for 25 years.

Jury nullification is a dirty little secret of the legal world that no one within that world wants to talk about.
 

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Lemme guess. It's also legal for judges to lie and manipulate juries. No wonder jury nullification is rare.
 

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"Lie" might be pushing it, but I think you could make a strong case for "manipulate." Mostly it occurs through selective omission. When Ed Rosenthal was convicted by the Feds for providing medicinal marijuana to sick people in California, the jury was not allowed to be told that his actions were completely legal under all state and local laws. After his conviction, several of the jury members protested on the street outside of his sentencing hearing, claiming that they had been duped by the Federal prosecutors and judge. They were angry, upset, and wanted to change their minds, but none of that matters. It is a rule of law that the decision of the jury is final, and they don't ever get to change their mind.
 

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I believe all drug laws should be abolished.

But not because I desire to do drugs. I think all drugs should be legalized because I am an advocate of freedom and personal responsibility.

In a free society, you should be free to put whatever substances into your body you desire; and, you should also be free to live with the consequences of doing so. It's your body; it doesn't belong to the government nor is your fellow man to be held morally or financially liable for your decisions.

No taxpayer-funded prison stays or rehab clinics, and no crybaby victimization bullsh!t either. "I'm a victim of my own decisions" lol what a crock
 

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Julius_Seizeher said:
I believe all drug laws should be abolished.

But not because I desire to do drugs. I think all drugs should be legalized because I am an advocate of freedom and personal responsibility.

In a free society, you should be free to put whatever substances into your body you desire; and, you should also be free to live with the consequences of doing so. It's your body; it doesn't belong to the government nor is your fellow man to be held morally or financially liable for your decisions.

No taxpayer-funded prison stays or rehab clinics, and no crybaby victimization bullsh!t either. "I'm a victim of my own decisions" lol what a crock
I am a great society disciple so I think that if a person really really wants help they should have help, even if the state has to pay for it. The society will be better as a whole.

the problem like when I was in rehab, there were 28 guys in there. there might have been... first, 2 out of 28 are clean today. Myself and this gay cross dresser named Gerald lol we actually keep in touch.

the problem is, out of those 28... there might ave been 4, maybe 5 of us that actually wanted to be there. You can' tmake someone who doesn't want to stop stop.

Because even if you want to stop you still have to know how. You havhave to basically rewire someone's brain to not go haywire when a trigger hits, to not fall back with old behaviors that can trigger drug use, and etc. it's alot harder than just "not use" but still you have to actually want to be there. Most addicts are extremely malnutrioned, they need to eat some real food for a month or two, most need help finding a real job. Stuff like that, because it's stuff like that.. stress on not finding a job when you are trying to "live right"./. god how m any people i have seen relapse over that ****. That's what they are there for.

Treatment centers are more of actual like live help centers than they are treatment centers. I mean you take an addict, for 2-5-10 sometimes 20 or 30 years, all this person has done has chased drugs. they don't know how to do things we take for granted. most are in legal trouble of some kind, need some kind of court liaison for that. Yes it's quick to say "well that's your issue" but, these issues have to be addressed, beucase these are the things that make people relaspe. One girl I knew had 6 months clean she was an alcoholic, had a court date over a freaking, i forgot but it was so petty it was funny. Like she got pulled over and she blew over the limit. I mean it was serious but not seroius if that makes sense. but she had convinced herself becuase this was like her 10th appearance in front of a judge she was going to be put in jail, went out and relasped over this court date.
 

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Julius_Seizeher said:
I believe all drug laws should be abolished.

But not because I desire to do drugs. I think all drugs should be legalized because I am an advocate of freedom and personal responsibility.
What about meth? You think a meth addict has the willpower to overcome a physical addiction when they're so desperate to get their next high that they'll do anything?
 

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I think a meth addict, by *virtue (using the word sparingly) of being a meth addict in the first place, does not have the willpower to stop, unless he finds it within himself. Humans always have free will, and when they want to take control of their lives badly enough, they do.

Here is the catch-22 of helping drug addicts: you value their lives enough to want them to stop, but they don't, so you are fighting an impossible battle from the get-go. You may teach, you may coerce, you may influence him in any variety of ways, but the power (or lack thereof) ultimately lies in his hands. It's his decision; it's his life, his to destroy or to create.

It is much harder to create, than it is to destroy. A drug addict is someone who wishes to escape reality, to anesthetize his consciousness, and to reap pity for his entirely self-chosen suffering. He is someone who sais "Fvck you, world!" and then begs it for pity in the same breath. He was a human who chose to throw away his humanity and sink into animal depravity, because it was easier to earn pity than virtue.

I think drug counseling centers are helpful to society, but they must be privately funded. Otherwise, you are telling the virtuous, productive men and women of society that the product of their efforts is owed to any rotting degenerate, and that all you have to do to escape the pressures of the real world is renounce your humanity and sacrifice your free will. And in my book, any "man" who would do so is not worthy of the title of "human", nor life itself.

No amount of tears, no amount of blame, no amount of excuses can surmount the truth of my words. Heaven does not wait for me in a syringe or pipe, nor a grave; it is something I am willing to earn, right here in the physical world, without anesthesia.
 

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Julius_Seizeher:
But not because I desire to do drugs. I think all drugs should be legalized because I am an advocate of freedom and personal responsibility.
Alle_Gory:
What about meth? You think a meth addict has the willpower to overcome a physical addiction when they're so desperate to get their next high that they'll do anything?
The counter-argument follows that the illegality radically inflates the prices of drugs, which in turn raises the prevalence of crimes in highly-addicted junkies. If drugs were legal, prices would be a minuscule fraction of their current black market values; cocaine, heroin, and meth addicts would not fall into destitute bankruptcies for their habits, thus they would not be so compelled to harm others in search of their next fix. The money spent on incarcerations would be poured into education and treatment.

That, at least, so the argument goes.
 

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What about meth? You think a meth addict has the willpower to overcome a physical addiction when they're so desperate to get their next high that they'll do anything?
Meth is not physically addicting nor is crack.

with crack for instance, i could go days and not think about it when i was using. loop de doo de loop de dah, just doing my thing., and then when that craving came, i'd just lock up. there would be times,k at the end when, i really didn't want to use anymore, seriously, that i would just crawl up in the bed and just wait.. but if you can wait it out for a few hours or keep your mind ocupied, no matter how strong it is, it does go away. It's alot easier said than done, all it takes is 1 weak second to dial a dealers phone number to undo hours of will power, all it takes is "accidently" going into a drug spot where you know you will be tempted. But it's not physically addicting.


there are really only 2 physically addicing drugs.. alcohol believe it or not, and all opiates. Opiates, which include morphine, codine, and herioin which is a synthetic version of morephine. If you are a bad alcoholic, and youu get to the point where you have to havef a drink to wake up, if not you get "the shakes" or DT's, you can die form that.

Opiates are pretty bad as well. The good news for both is there are pills and stuff that help with that. The bad thing about stimulants which is what meth and coke are, is there is nothing to help you but AA lol. they don't have anything.

Here is the catch-22 of helping drug addicts: you value their lives enough to want them to stop, but they don't, so you are fighting an impossible battle from the get-go.
This is a pretty bold generalization. Not all addicts hate their lives. some of you really do not understand the ****ing grip this **** has.

I did not go out looking for drugs. I was on a date in Florida witch this hot little thing named Stephanie watts, 28 years old, i was 23, I mean a body that Donatello himself probably sculpted. we went to the beach she pulled out soime weed, I guess to test my drug tolerance level. (I didn't say anything. we went then to get some pizza then to a tiki bar (that's how you run a date, keep taking them different places). she asks to come to my place, i say hell yeah. she brings up a little white bag with her, i have no idea what it is. so we start ****ing and she's snorting and asked me if I wanted some I say no. she says hte sex will be 10x better if you do, trust me. I say **** it how bad can it be. I do a line. humm.. about 5 minute later the **** kicked in, bam.. she was right lol. That's the one date i never wish i went on. I had no desire to do drugs at all./ i don't even smoke weed really. I did not hate my life. That **** is just hard to stop. it's a thought that overides all thoughts. And you might be clean for 3 weeks, 3 months, but all it takes is 1 slip up, and you are right back at square one.

so, after an hour of this i've dived into the pool and we are cutting lines and snorting, she asked if I weanted to re up. I said **** it, we are kicking it make the call. the guy comes over and says I got some good news and some bad news. bad news i'm out of blow (which is bull**** in hindsight) but i got some hard (crack cocaine) that i will give you an 8 ball for 50 dollars to make up for it. at the time i had no idea how mjuch an 8 ball was, but i played it off. honeslty i really didn't want to do it, i mean, it's crack. but she didn't have a problem with it and she ahd some really good ***** and she seemed pretty normal, she was the manager at a hotel and drove a new chevy malibu for crying out loud.. **** it let's do this. so i'm hitting it or i think i am hitting it, and it gave me a nice oltitle buzz, it wasn't bad at all. it mellowed me out really good. later i learned, that neither of us knew what we were doing lol. later that night a friend of hers came over (another girl)" and said loo0k no both of you are ****ing up, hit it like this and do this, and do this... i didn't even release and i knew my life had changed, i said to my self "god damn what the **** have i done lol".. this isbefore i even let the **** go. i l'et go and hear aliens talking to me lol.l i knew i was hooked then. we ran through about a grand that night. she stayed over my crib for like a week, remember i'm not broke, she just hit the gold mine. after about a week of this, the dealer killed some dude, and hid the gun in the hotel room i had rented. the cops came by, and said look we know there is crack in the room we don't give a ****, just tell us where the gun is.. I took that as an omen and hopped a b line back to Arkansas i am not exaggerating, that night. i left 80% o;f my clothes back there, didn't even give a damn at that point just wanted out of that, i knew i had ****ed up. I didn't want to be a crackhead.

It took me another year to really break break free. when i got back to little rock, i was clean for 2 months and something happened (my oneitis rejected me again") and i got depressed and went looking for it. I did not use for THAT long but i probably spent about.. at least 30 thousand on crack cocaine. at least. i was basically smoking a quarter a night for about a year. About... after the 8 month mark I kinda realized i didn't want to do this anymore. about the 10 month mark, I really rally really didn't want to do it anymore. about teh 12 month mark i was crying while calling the drug dealer because i knew i was ****ing up but couldn't help myself. it took my oneitis breaking in my house and flushing my stash and driving me to rehab on the spot and making me check in to get clean. that act right there is why i can never hold any ill will against my oneitis.l she might not have wanted to **** me, but she did care about me.

You know I had mom issues, i had a chip on my shoulder, but i never hated myself or hated life. **** I wanted my life BACK. I very much enjoyed the come down, when I could sit in front of my TV and watch horse racing all day and just throw myself into it and forget about drugs. but someone would call or come over or something would trigger it or a dealer would worry why i haven't called in 2 days and knock on the door lol, something and we were off to the races. I told my oneitis that plenty of times and that to myself I just wanted my regular ass life back that I had created pre drugs. I was just trying to get laid man lol. Then after a while i had associated sex with drugs. that is when it got real tough to defeat.

what should really scare you guys, is that besides the business and all i'm just like all you guys. relativity smart good looking good with women.. i had a weakness, the same as most here have, women and that **** ****ed me good. that could have been any one of you in that hotel room. I laugh at all the guys here who get all high and mighty when it comes to drug use, yet the same guys who are afraid to cold approach, think they would have done anything else other than what i would ahve done had a 5'8 brunette with perfect C cups and a size 2-4 waist sitting on your bed "(with her socks on for some reason she would not take off the socks, **** irked me, my foot fetish and all) butt ass naked sucking you off and telling you to go ATM. you would have done the exact same thing as i did. I made a mistake a nd it cost me about 30 grand, a little bit of my health but i am a better person for it and i learned from it. I'm just thankful it didn't kill me.


I think drug counseling centers are helpful to society, but they must be privately funded. Otherwise, you are telling the virtuous, productive men and women of society that the product of their efforts is owed to any rotting degenerate, and that all you have to do to escape the pressures of the real world is renounce your humanity and sacrifice your free will. And in my book, any "man" who would do so is not worthy of the title of "human", nor life itself.
My drug rehab costs 5700 dollars. I paid it myself but most people there, the state is paying for it.

Each year in jail costs 21 thousand dollars per immate.

it's all about math. would you rather pay for someone to get cleaned up and take care of himself, or pay for 3-5 years at 21k a pop when they commit a drug induced crime.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Actually, drug addiction takes people below the level of animals.

Why? A dog or a coyote is willing to chew its own leg off in order to survive.

He will spare himself nothing to stay alive.

An addict will spare himself anything to die.

What is more noble?

I admire that you beat drugs, bb. And I admit, I tried almost everything back in college. But I never pretended that I could sanction the idea of being powerless over them, I knew it was excuses back then. But yeah, the deputy has helped me get ass MANY times over the years and the Sheriff got me the craziest sex of my life lol

But my assertions remain-drug addiction=self-subjugation to slavery and death.
 

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Meth has strong effects on the body's dopamine and seretonin levels. The reward mechanisms in your brain.

It is very physically addictive.

Julius_Seizeher said:
Otherwise, you are telling the virtuous, productive men and women of society that the product of their efforts is owed to any rotting degenerate, and that all you have to do to escape the pressures of the real world is renounce your humanity and sacrifice your free will. And in my book, any "man" who would do so is not worthy of the title of "human", nor life itself.
The productive men and women of society owe their wealth to others as well as themselves. Without other people, nothing can exist. You think your success is only due to your actions? Guess again. Without the company you work at, without your boss and his boss and your fellow employees you would have nothing to do and nowhere to go. Your success is attributed in part to their existence and their work, and same goes for them.

It's a system, and no one is isolated.

To test this theory, try to visit an isolated part of the world. See how successful and prosperous you can be with nobody around. Nothing to buy, no equipment to work the land, food... etc.
 

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Julius_Seizeher said:
Actually, drug addiction takes people below the level of animals.

Why? A dog or a coyote is willing to chew its own leg off in order to survive.

He will spare himself nothing to stay alive.

An addict will spare himself anything to die.

What is more noble?

I admire that you beat drugs, bb. And I admit, I tried almost everything back in college. But I never pretended that I could sanction the idea of being powerless over them, I knew it was excuses back then. But yeah, the deputy has helped me get ass MANY times over the years and the Sheriff got me the craziest sex of my life lol

But my assertions remain-drug addiction=self-subjugation to slavery and death.
I agree with you. I don't deserve any special treatment becuase I was an addict. I never said i was powerless. I said it was hard and it has a grip that you couuld not imagine. but it's not impossible. it just requires a level of disiapoine that you can't possibly have untikl you really really really really want to stop becuase it's so damn instantly gratifiying.

You have to really, really , really want to get clean to get clean. no half ass bull**** and when you have honestly had enough you know you hae had enoudh. no fake half ass promises, there comes a time when you say to yourself that whatever i do, i can't pick this **** up again regardless of what it takes. That point takes a while to hit. some hit it quicker than other,s some never do. but with the right motivation and a gameplan it's definatly doable. and drugs theslves aren't my problem. the misses and i do smoke a little weed from time to time though weed never was my thing, we have friends that do and I admit i do take a puff or two when the joint is being passed around. And I drionk often. we both do. hell i'm drinking cocanut rum and paypa juice right now lol. that is another thing that got me beucase i had drank before and i knew i wasn't the "addict type". crack makes alcohol look like bubble gum
 

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Meth has strong effects on the body's dopamine and seretonin levels. The reward mechanisms in your brain.

It is very physically addictive.
same thing with crack, but that's not physical addiction. you think you need it. that's just why it's so addictive. But that's not a physical symptom. your brain tricks you to thinking you need it. but you don't actually need it. i have studied this **** for over half a decade man lol.

when you stop taking opiates like say morphine after a long term use, your body starts hurting, you can't sleep,, you shake, you vomit, you have the ****s. those; my friend are physical withdrawal symptoms


If you cut off if you are an everyday drunk you can and will start having seizures and can die.
 

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If you cut off if you are an everyday drunk you can and will start having seizures and can die.
Wait... seizures from alcohol withdrawal?
 

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001771/


the shakes is no joke. you can die if you try to quit drinking cold turkey if you are a real alcoholic.

with dope, I wanted it, at least my mind was tricking me into feeling like i wanted it. it created physical cravings for it.. but there were no actual physical effects. if i could dervert myself or just lock myself in a room it would go away within an hour or so, though the craving would literary lock you up. i know/knew alcoholics that literary could not get out of bed without a beer. they literary cannot function without alcohol. it's not even about like anymore you need it to function.
 
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