Señor Fingers
Master Don Juan
IDIOT is a strong word.. immature and ignorant is more fitting.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
now THIS is the ultimate AFC example
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
iqqi
Master Don Juan
I figured idiot would sum up a bunch of things, however I was going to use the word immature.Señor Fingers said:
Got it. So if a guy who is confident and in a good mood walks up to a girl, the first thing she says is "Hi. At this time I am unable to ascertain your attractiveness. Plese pull out your iPhone and and show me all the pictures of you and other women first please."
How did guys get laid in the olden days before they could show off their pictures of them in da club getting it on? Now I'm even more confused.
How did guys get laid in the olden days before they could show off their pictures of them in da club getting it on? Now I'm even more confused.
reset said:
I don't know how there could be any confusion. Women are attracted to a guy primarily based on appearance but other things too..one of those other things is value and status. But the point of SP is the women at the club are observing you whether you realize it or not. They notice how other women are responding to you and who you are with, etc. Assuming you're not that clueless, you're just making ridiculous arguments just to argue.
iqqi
Master Don Juan
Its true as a woman, I AM observing you.ketostix said:
But I'm not paying attention to "who you wit", lol! OR other women coming on to you.
If you caught my attention, I am now watching you to ascertain whether or not you are worth my time and more of my attention. Do you look fun, intelligent? Or are you belligerent and foolish? Can you DANCE? Do we connect when we make eye contact? THAT is what is important. I could care less "who you wit". One of my favorite ppl I met last year was ALONE.
If a guy seems impressed, or like he is trying to impress, by "lots of random babes" hanging all over him he falls into the foolish category, and loses my interest.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
reset said:
Well it's obvious. In some settings like a book store or grocery store it's a little different from a club. It's not socially "expected" you'll have SP. She probably doesn't have any either. Obviously she'll just judge you on your appearance and make an estimation of your value. But again if there's several girls in a bookstore or grocery store in proximity women can pick up on the other girls eyeing you and their body language. It's like when a hot girl is waltzing through the grocery store, it's pretty obvious to me that other people notice her. women are even more senstive to this.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Well do you think women converse with let alone fvck every guy that tries to converse with them?Of course conversation has something to do with it, but without having an appearance that attracts the girl and appearing to have value she's not going to really care what you have to say her.reset said:
That was fast, I edited it so as to not derail.
I get you, women are more likely to be attracted to you if you are good looking and if they can see other girls attracted to you. Without either of those things you don't have much of a chance, she'll just blow you off. Oh well.
I get you, women are more likely to be attracted to you if you are good looking and if they can see other girls attracted to you. Without either of those things you don't have much of a chance, she'll just blow you off. Oh well.
Exactly. The guy in the video was a young attractive guy. But he might as well said he can't attract any girls. Despite being decent looking he has no value (to most people) because he has no "proof" of being attractive to girls.reset said:
reset said:Dude.
Anyway, this is turning into one of those looks threads so I just have to stop!
BUT I disagree with you. Can't let my sarcasm get too subtle here. Some dude may be reading this and getting all bummed out.
Well not "looks" but a value thread. But if youre of the belief that your just going to "talk" your way into every girls pants, even then you have to have the right attitude and beliefs. And if you don't think conveying value and that you are attractive to other women matters, then I don't even know what you're going to talk about to attract the girl. This is basically the mistake the guy in this video made.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
iqqi
Master Don Juan
Interceptor
Master Don Juan
I believe that Social Proof can be exhibited by a Man without there being anyone around to confirm it to the prospective woman.
I do feel womne are a bit more intuitve in sensing if a man has options or not.
They try to ascertain his level of sexuality, and sexual experiences. And by conversing with him, they begin to tell at what level he is socially expereinced and socialy adjusted.
I bbelieve that many men carry their Experiences with women on them, inside them, and through them.
And bascillay.Women pick up on this.
This is the information a woman is truly seeking by probing you.
Do you know how well tuned some people can be to your facial movements and expressions, that they can tell what your past expereinces were with women?
Women try to tune into this.
Some women have it down to a fine art.
Your facial expressions and mannersism, body langiage, eye contact, and posture all are indicators to her about who you are, and what were your past expereinces with women.
IN addition, what you say in refernece to her, gives her clues to what your options REALLY are, and if you're faking them, AND what your VIEWS on women are as well.
Guy 1: "Like..OMG! ...like you're so totally totally HOT! LIke OMG! Will you go out with me??! Please?"
Guy2: "Yeah, so the other day while bangin' this chick, my bro calls me form Jersey. And then after I told the chick to leave I got some things done yada yada. So you cook too? What do you like to cook? I don't like spinach."
Guy 3: "Im the most romantic guy youve ever met. I am the most romantic guy you will ever know. I buy flowers, I take girls to dinner. I am always romantic."
These are just exagerrated examples. But you can tell the mind set and expectations the guy has, and his expereinces.
Women will think; "He wants a mommy. This guy is looking for a mommy.'
"He wants to get laid. All he wants is sex."
"He isn't very expereinced with women. He's easily intimidated and nervous."
etc etc
So the experiences you have are usualy discernible by women , especially those who have developed a good filtering system, and are used to being approached.
If you have the 'stain of rejection" or the 'stain of desperation",it will be noticed.
Likewise, if you have unshakeable confidence and do not bend to social pressure, this will be noiticed as well. And despite her external reactions her desire will increase.
So in essence, in a way, you carry your own social proof.
By how you carry yourself, and how you interaction social situations, and how well you know the dyynamics of seduction and dating women.
IF you know plenty ofpeople, and these peole demnstrate their friendship to you in front of her, she will be iimpressed.
IF the same thing happens with Women approaching you in front of her, she will increase her competetiveness and desire for you, her IL will go up.
Why?
Youare a man preselected by women.
I do feel womne are a bit more intuitve in sensing if a man has options or not.
They try to ascertain his level of sexuality, and sexual experiences. And by conversing with him, they begin to tell at what level he is socially expereinced and socialy adjusted.
I bbelieve that many men carry their Experiences with women on them, inside them, and through them.
And bascillay.Women pick up on this.
This is the information a woman is truly seeking by probing you.
Do you know how well tuned some people can be to your facial movements and expressions, that they can tell what your past expereinces were with women?
Women try to tune into this.
Some women have it down to a fine art.
Your facial expressions and mannersism, body langiage, eye contact, and posture all are indicators to her about who you are, and what were your past expereinces with women.
IN addition, what you say in refernece to her, gives her clues to what your options REALLY are, and if you're faking them, AND what your VIEWS on women are as well.
Guy 1: "Like..OMG! ...like you're so totally totally HOT! LIke OMG! Will you go out with me??! Please?"
Guy2: "Yeah, so the other day while bangin' this chick, my bro calls me form Jersey. And then after I told the chick to leave I got some things done yada yada. So you cook too? What do you like to cook? I don't like spinach."
Guy 3: "Im the most romantic guy youve ever met. I am the most romantic guy you will ever know. I buy flowers, I take girls to dinner. I am always romantic."
These are just exagerrated examples. But you can tell the mind set and expectations the guy has, and his expereinces.
Women will think; "He wants a mommy. This guy is looking for a mommy.'
"He wants to get laid. All he wants is sex."
"He isn't very expereinced with women. He's easily intimidated and nervous."
etc etc
So the experiences you have are usualy discernible by women , especially those who have developed a good filtering system, and are used to being approached.
If you have the 'stain of rejection" or the 'stain of desperation",it will be noticed.
Likewise, if you have unshakeable confidence and do not bend to social pressure, this will be noiticed as well. And despite her external reactions her desire will increase.
So in essence, in a way, you carry your own social proof.
By how you carry yourself, and how you interaction social situations, and how well you know the dyynamics of seduction and dating women.
IF you know plenty ofpeople, and these peole demnstrate their friendship to you in front of her, she will be iimpressed.
IF the same thing happens with Women approaching you in front of her, she will increase her competetiveness and desire for you, her IL will go up.
Why?
Youare a man preselected by women.
I agree with you Interceptor, but on one hand it's discouraging, and on the other I'm not sure if it all applies to me.
First. My friend (just for comparison) as far as I can tell, has had more sex than me (usually milfs at work). But he can't talk to chicks, at least not while I'm around. He thinks he's unattractive and not rich, whatever. So all the sex he's had hasn't translated into confidence.
I have not had it in too damn long. Yet within the last couple years or so it's been very easy for me to create that sexual vibe with women, at least at work, probably because that's more comfortable, whatever. I've had a few chase me and go nuts over me and as you know I did go AFC but it wasn't off the bat. I could see it in their eyes and all the times they would make up stupid excuses to be with me, etc. You know what I'm getting at.
And I've had a college course on chick drama and shyt tests. No I wasn't screwing the chicks but I've had a ton of experience at least on how to handle the girls in drama mode and I can usually see a fit or a jealousy play or something coming from the distance. That still counts as experience. I have a lot of the social experience down now and am much more socially aware. Just not the sexual experience.
Maybe there was social proof at work, I don't know. I have a very flirtatious, but laid back attitude with girls (after the ice has been broken). But I didn't have lots of sex under my belt to give me that vibe. In the last few years I haven't done any of those generalizations you mentioned, I know better. So, seeing as I'm not getting laid and in fact was lonely, why was I getting this reaction? I wasn't really pretending. I was in the moment and just having fun. I was still able to feel confident, sexual, playful, and mysterious, guarded etc.
When I am out alone at least it's very easy for me to make eye contact with girls now, smile, say hi, sometimes start conversations (sometimes) but I'm still sending out the vibe and chicks are checking me out and I can feel it happening. I believe that some women probably think I do have those options. I mean hypothetically we all have options. I just never acted on them. As I feel more masculine and more in touch with my own sexuality I feel the vibe more and more.
I'm sure you'll cut right through this one. :woo:
First. My friend (just for comparison) as far as I can tell, has had more sex than me (usually milfs at work). But he can't talk to chicks, at least not while I'm around. He thinks he's unattractive and not rich, whatever. So all the sex he's had hasn't translated into confidence.
I have not had it in too damn long. Yet within the last couple years or so it's been very easy for me to create that sexual vibe with women, at least at work, probably because that's more comfortable, whatever. I've had a few chase me and go nuts over me and as you know I did go AFC but it wasn't off the bat. I could see it in their eyes and all the times they would make up stupid excuses to be with me, etc. You know what I'm getting at.
And I've had a college course on chick drama and shyt tests. No I wasn't screwing the chicks but I've had a ton of experience at least on how to handle the girls in drama mode and I can usually see a fit or a jealousy play or something coming from the distance. That still counts as experience. I have a lot of the social experience down now and am much more socially aware. Just not the sexual experience.
Maybe there was social proof at work, I don't know. I have a very flirtatious, but laid back attitude with girls (after the ice has been broken). But I didn't have lots of sex under my belt to give me that vibe. In the last few years I haven't done any of those generalizations you mentioned, I know better. So, seeing as I'm not getting laid and in fact was lonely, why was I getting this reaction? I wasn't really pretending. I was in the moment and just having fun. I was still able to feel confident, sexual, playful, and mysterious, guarded etc.
When I am out alone at least it's very easy for me to make eye contact with girls now, smile, say hi, sometimes start conversations (sometimes) but I'm still sending out the vibe and chicks are checking me out and I can feel it happening. I believe that some women probably think I do have those options. I mean hypothetically we all have options. I just never acted on them. As I feel more masculine and more in touch with my own sexuality I feel the vibe more and more.
I'm sure you'll cut right through this one. :woo: