"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I met a chick in the club Saturday. She was really into me. My friend wanted to meet her, but she didn't want to talk to him. She only would talked to me. So, I didn't make any moves in front of my friends. I just got her number. I called her on Tuesday. She responded with a text message today. I asked her if she was feeling better (she said she was sick Saturday night). She said she felt so much better and thanks or asking. I replied saying that since she felt better, she could go out with my Friday night. I went a few hours with not response and sent "or not". She instantly sent a text that said, "hold on I'm at work! I can't always look at my phone".

I don't like the tone she took, so I just thought I'd ignore her now. If I knew a witty reply, I would reply, but I don't. If you have a suggestion, please feel free to respond.

I thought about saying "Don't get your panties in a wad".
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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you shouldnt have sent her the "or not" message. now she sees you as needy guy that gets worried when she doesnt answer her texts right away. she is busy at work and you should appear to be busy as well. even if she did ignore your first message so what... you should be spinning multiple plates anyway...
 

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J Roc said:
you shouldnt have sent her the "or not" message. now she sees you as needy guy that gets worried when she doesnt answer her texts right away. she is busy at work and you should appear to be busy as well. even if she did ignore your first message so what... you should be spinning multiple plates anyway...
I understand that it seems needy, and I do have plates spinning on skinny little sticks. I guess I thought the worst in this situation. I guess I can't get it back on track with her.
 

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I understand that it seems needy, and I do have plates spinning on skinny little sticks. I guess I thought the worst in this situation. I guess I can't get it back on track with her.
just call her up tonight and setup the date. if she says no then charge her to the game and focus on the other plates.
 

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J Roc said:
just call her up tonight and setup the date. if she says no then charge her to the game and focus on the other plates.
I don't know why I do that crap. My instincts say "be needy", so I do. It's like something tells me that I need her to respond or I'm worthless.

I just can't seem to break the cycle. There's a trigger somewhere, but I'm not quite sure what it is.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I don't know why I do that crap. My instincts say "be needy", so I do. It's like something tells me that I need her to respond or I'm worthless.
and thats the mentality of the typical AFC who doesnt have many options
 

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J Roc said:
and thats the mentality of the typical AFC who doesnt have many options
I would think it would be easier to break the AFC mentality by having lots of women. Just like when rich people say that money doesn't matter. It's because they don't have to worry about money. A man with women doesn't have to worry about women.

So, I may have plates that I spin, but all of them are work with one exception, and she's the one I'm really not interested in. It just doesn't seem that easy, and I think a lot of people that come here are just keyboard jocking, but aren't really backing up their words. In real life they act just as AFC as I do, but it takes women to get more women. Just like it takes money to make money.
 

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I think what will work best for me to keep from looking overly needy is just not to respond. If she wants to talk further with me, then fine. If not, then fine.
 

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I would think it would be easier to break the AFC mentality by having lots of women. Just like when rich people say that money doesn't matter. It's because they don't have to worry about money. A man with women doesn't have to worry about women.

So, I may have plates that I spin, but all of them are work with one exception, and she's the one I'm really not interested in. It just doesn't seem that easy, and I think a lot of people that come here are just keyboard jocking, but aren't really backing up their words. In real life they act just as AFC as I do, but it takes women to get more women. Just like it takes money to make money.
I stopped being an AFC when i took p*ssy off the pedastal. I get alot of women but I dont need them to enjoy my life. I have other things going on in my life that keep me busy and make me happy like reading books, playing sports, cooking, writing music, starting my own business, movies, traveling, hanging with family and friends, etc...

you seem to have oneitis right now because you are so focused on this one girl. there are 4 billion women out there. ask yourself this question "what makes this woman more special then all the other ones out there?"
 

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I don't know the girl. I don't consider it oneitis. I consider it as not enough options otherwise. When that happens, It's natural to put a woman on a pedestal. It's a fvcked up mentality, I know.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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r0cky said:
witty comeback "hurry up before I change my mind"
I kind of felt that way too, and her response was to test to see if I'd be reactive, but by not being reactive to her cruel tone, I pass the test. We'll see. I don't know.
 

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I responded with the following:

"Wow! Don't rip my head off. I just thought I was being ignored. We guys to get rejected, you know?"

She responded instantly with "I'm sorry I wasn't being mean".

So, there you go. Just got put them off a little bit.
 

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ha, that girl is SO not interested in hooking up its unreal...NEXT!

top tip for you, dont text girls, PHONE THEM to set up dates and chat. an initial text as a conversation makes you look WEAK
 

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^^^ I did call, and she didn't respond until 2 days later with a text message. I didn't ask her out, I told her to go out with me. lol

Who cares anyway. Fvck 'em!
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Well, she ended up calling me last night. We talked for a little bit before I let her go. We talked about going out Saturday night, but I don't think I'm interested. she has a kid, and I don't feel like fathering someone else's DNA.
 

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Well, she ended up calling me last night. We talked for a little bit before I let her go. We talked about going out Saturday night, but I don't think I'm interested. she has a kid, and I don't feel like fathering someone else's DNA.
you just want to bang her right? so who cares if she has a kid. hit it and bounce
 
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