Not POF, but close enough to be useful

[Wilko]

I've been using a site which is fairly similar to POF, the major differences are that it's completely free, and you can't send personalised messages with a contact request, so your success (or lack of it) is completely dependant on the strength of your profile. Being free it has had huge uptake in this country, I think it's effectively killed off all of its competitors and its drawing in a lot of people who normally wouldn't consider trolling for dyk or p**sy online.

That said, apart from being free, and having many, many more users, it's the usual story. An average girl with a pic (any pic) can pull in about 30 requests a day in her first week or two; like ever other site, p**sy has a much higher market value than dyk. Profiles are the usual reptitive garbage, and single mums, AW's and BPD's are over-represented as usual. Just setting the scene for you dear reader.

I've been reasonabley successful with it and had some good lays from an 8, a few 7's, and yes some 6's too. But it really was way, way too much effort for the return; anyone here on SS will tell you the same thing about online game.

Tips in the next post.

 

[Wilko]

If you've been on a site for any length of time, I strongly recommend re-inventing your profile a few times. After your intial spam assault on the existing site members you're just going to be contacting new members as they join each week. They're not going to know or care that you re-work your profile each month so have at it. Remember that most girls don't actively look at male profiles, they just sift through their inbox, so it's very unlikely that a girl is going to remember that just last month you were only looking for a casual hook up and now you're presenting yourself as something entirely different. After a well thought out profile change, I've had girls who previously knocked me back accept my contact request. Different bait for different fish, you're just creating more opportunities for yourself.

You can't escape the fact that a brilliantly written profile is useless without a decent profile pic. How good does it have to be? Pretty good actually. A good profle pic is whatever improves your numbers, and that's something you can test easily, just change it regularly and you'll find a clear winner will emerge. Once you've found your winning profile pic you'll probably be able to figure out why it did better than the others.

My winner turned out to be a pic where I was dressed down compared to the other pics I'd used; just a close fitting, long sleeved tee with sleeves rolled up. Huge smirk, open eyes, wrinkled brow (I have freaking crevasses in my forehead, I think there's a climber or two still lost in there). Posture is leaning into the pic, with arms loosely crossed; chest, arms and shoulders look pretty good in this one.

The reason I think this one worked so well is the body language, I hadn't even considered body language as factor with any of my previous pics, I'd just use the pics that I thought made me appear better looking. Definitely consider managing the body language that gets put on display in your pics. Try using a torso, or upper torso pic instead of an extreme close up on your face, mix up the signals a bit, create a bit of confusion, but don't go over the top with the alpha posturing.

To ab flex, or not to ab flex, that is the question. I do a bit of snooping around behind enemy lines and a lot of girls tell me they hate the ab-flexing six-pack shots. Can they be trusted at their word though? Are they saying one thing and doing another? Probably. I'm just getting my abs back, so I don't do it, and probably wouldn't anyway.

If you do have a good body I think it's a great idea to be subtle and nonchalant about how you show it off, nothing too overt, no flexing. Action/sporting shots are a great way to showoff your hard work without coming across as a narcissistic douchebag (Mind you, narcissitic doucebags aren't exactly short on p**sy most of the time either). It's a good idea to avoid using the written part of your profile to talk about how much you enjoy going to the gym, or what a great athlete you are, you'll sound like everyone else, use your photos to demonstrate your body/athleticism.

More to follow, over.

 

[Wilko]

Next to having a great profile pic I think this is the most important thing there is.

Instead of just claiming you possess certain attributes, (intelligence, great sense of humour, style, confidence) demonstrate them!

If you want to convey that you're intelligent, write intelligently, use correct spelling, make the profile a pleasure to read (it'll also weed out the txt-speaking dumb-asses you don't want).

If you're funny, prove it, get some genuine laughs in there, but not at your expense and preferably at hers, that's important.

If you're confident, make a few bold statements in your profile and be prepared to back them up.

Actually demonstrating these things sets you apart from everyone else, with their repetitive, adjective based profiles.

 

[Wilko]

If your profile contains any of the following words or phrases, remove them at once and find a more convincing and interesting way to say it.

Intelligent/Smart/Witty

Stylish/Charming

Great sense of humour/Funny

Easy going/relaxed/chilled out

Fit/Athletic/Sporty

Love the outdoors

Quiet nights in on the couch

Big nights out with the boys

My kids are my world/My son/daughter is everything to me

Looking for a girlfriend/soulmate/Ms Right

Life of the party

My friends say I'm a little crazy

I'm pretty extreme

 

[Wilko]

I think I've had the most success with shorter profiles, that really isn't suprising now that I think about it. Currently sitting at one paragraph for the 'about me' part and just a few punchy lines in what you'd call the seeking criteria. I've realised that you should avoid having too much information about yourself; you want just enough detail to convey that you're interesting and desirable, and you need to leave out enough to maintain some mystery about yourself.

So, in summary...

Experiment with your profile regularly.

Have a great profile pic - check your body language.

Demonstrate your qualities, don't list them off.

Avoid cliches.

Use 'just enough' detail to create interest. Flesh it out with more photos rather than more words.

Leave/create some mystery about yourself.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Good advice. I've just closed out my POF tab after having acquired yet another unsolicited # from a 25 yr old girl. She's muslim, a doctor, and messaged me tonight. ONE fvcking message later, after I sent her a message saying, "If you ever want to talk in person, just let me know." I use this ALL the fvckin time and it elicits a #. Of course, I have 3 kickass pics of myself. One, a side profile face pic, second, a standing dress-up pic (loud dress shirt - girls comment "omg, your shirt is hypnotizing me" or something like that), the third pic, standing with a short T-shirt showing off my badas5 body - *think Gladiator Russell Crowe stance.

I go online maybe 5 minutes and I have girls viewing me, with some messaging me (about 3 or 4).

I feel bad about getting some of them's phone #s and never calling them (3 in a week), but fvck I've got other girls that cvm first, how can I not go for the sure thing??

 

[Wilko]

Hey, speaking of ab-flexing douchebags! Just kidding Poonani Maker, I've got nothing but love for all my So Suave homies - fist bump.

You'd better watch out though, I'm catching up fast, the latest tweaks to my profile were really effective. With the previous version I was getting about 1/4 to 1/3 of my contact requests approved, and something like 2-3 incoming requests in a week. After the lastest changes I'm getting about 1/2 of the requests I send approved and about 4-5 incoming requests per night, there's some HB7's in the incoming stuff which is really encouraging.

Got some questions for you, genuine ones, I'm prepared to assume you're being straight up with us.

Have you used any shirtless pics? Were they effective? What feedback did the girls give you about them?

How's the rest of your game? Is the online stuff working well enough to ease up on club-game/day game?

Cheers, Wilko

 

[Scars]

There's some good stuff in here. I used to be the kind of person who would say "I'm fun." "I'm smart." "I'm funny." I think this where a lot of guys go wrong. You nailed it though. If you can somehow prove it through your writing it will be so much more effective than just saying it. This actually make me want to go back and change a few things on my profile. Good advice.

+1 rep.

 

[Wilko]

If anybody wants a hand rewriting/reworking their old profile I'm up for giving it a go. It's not a scam and there's no money changing hands, I just happen to enjoy the challenge for now and it sharpens my own skills. PM me some details to get the ball rolling.

 

[Wilko]

Interesting, I had seven incoming requests waiting for me when I logged on today. That's a career best, and not a photoshopped six-pack or fabricated career in sight.

 

[scorpio1138]

I was one of them.

mine as it was, was very generic. one chic friend told me it was too "by the book" so to speak and she was right.

Wilco made it a lot more fun sounding.

 

[Wilko]

Come on, who's next. Nothing to fear, I just want to shoot my hot creative juices all over your profile, that's all

 

[spinaroonie]

What's the website?

 

[Poonani Maker]

Was on POF tonight, about 10 emails in 20 minutes. I pissed off one (I knew I would bc I basically said, "You're full of contradictions...good luck" and she predictably snapped back with, "well you've only been in a relationship for one year...good luck" plus some other spiteful comments. She was 25. Another fine blond I probably pissed off by saying, "You're a mutt" after she told me that she was half Mexican, Irish, Italian, and something else I forget. She also asked me if I ALWAYS tell girls that I'm going on a date tomorrow. I said, "Yeah, and if that don't work out, I'm going on one at 4 PM..." Sure she got mad at that too, oh fvcking well. I'm gettin some, she ain't getting this d!ck, her loss.

So another one is a 41 yr old hot blond mom, pictures show she's very slim and tanned. Hey, I'm expanding my boundaries these days, I'd fvck her, and I love eating pvssy so, wtf, sure I'll meet you, but our schedules are not matched up very well because she works weekends from 7 to 3 am. I told her that I go on vaca 2nd week of oct, so, and she messaged me but I haven't read it bc I'm sleepy and need to rest for tomorrow, my day off, Labor Day.

 

[Wilko]

Spinaroonie, "Oasis" ring any bells?

Poonani Maker, the most outrageous, filthy porno-sex I've ever had was with a Milf, you won't hear me knock them.