"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Not doing favors. Good or bad?

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So two days ago, a girl in my english class asked me to help her throw away her trash too as I was returning/walking to my desk after I had thrown away my garbage.

This is what happened:

"Hey buddy, can you throw this away for me *laugh*?

I said "How 'bout you throw away my garbage."

And she mustered a disgusted look.

Should I have done that common courtesy? Or would I have looked like a wimp? Is it smart to act this way to everybody? Or just the ****y girls?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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what works for a girl might not work for another... plain and simple
 

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What's the deal? Are you into this girl?

Or was this a case of, "Uh-oh, cute girl talking to me...gotta be ****y-funny...SoSuave says so..."
 

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When it comes to asking favours i find it really depends on the circumstances, if she's asking me to go out of my way to do something she could easily do herself, i'll usually laugh at her in a joking way, and say 'you're so lazy, do it yourself' I usually get a smile when i say this because they know they're being unreasonable, but if it's a case of me already going to get something, and she asks me to get her one too (like picking up a piece of paper from the front of the class or something) then i usually get it, and then make some kind of joke when i'm giving it to her.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Originally posted by Mustang05
So two days ago, a girl in my english class asked me to help her throw away her trash too as I was returning/walking to my desk after I had thrown away my garbage.

This is what happened:

"Hey buddy, can you throw this away for me *laugh*?

I said "How 'bout you throw away my garbage."

And she mustered a disgusted look.

Should I have done that common courtesy? Or would I have looked like a wimp? Is it smart to act this way to everybody? Or just the ****y girls?
In that situation you done the right thing..Don't sweat it!
 

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You reacted, instead of played. When she said that, you could have said something like "Well well, couldn't you have said that a little earlier? If you had, I might have actually considered ... " <big smile> (esspecially the last one is important, but when you're playing it sorta comes naturally) ...
 

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sounds like something that happened to me today.

yesterday i was about to go out to lunch, and htis new co-worker kindly asked if i could pick up a muffin along the way. she gave me cash, and i got it for her after my lunch on th way back.

today after i got back from lunch, i got myself a soda. Then she mentions something about how i couldve gotten her a muffin. then i reply " i just got back!?" (seeing as how she didnt mention anything to me about it, she can only blame herself.)

and a few mins later she runs out to get one, apparently she's starved.

Anyway, favors should be earned. And no one should be taken advantage of like that.

if you dont have to go out of your way to help someone, sure help them once in awhile! no harm in doing good. but there's harm in doing too much good....you lose your self-respect.
 

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You could've done her a favor that time but next time she asks for one you tell her she still owes you for the last time.
 

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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Throw away garbage? What is this grade school? It doesn't matter. If i'm closer to the receptical then she is then I'd do it, but if I had to go out of my way to get there then I wouldn't because it's inconvient not because I'll look bad.

Either way it's inconcequential, your story is breif and the whole situation seems meaningless.
 

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Your response was ok. My response would be . .

What are you gonna do for me?
 

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Comote said it well. The above line "What will you do for me?" works EVERY TIME.

The key is in the underlying attitude and what you communicate towards the girl. "I will do this favour to you, but I'm not that easy. Better be prepared to handle me!"

Many guys who get into the game tend to confuse "not being an AFC, not supplicating" with plain rudeness. There is a thin line between the two, but if you fall to the side of "rudeness" you can say bye to your chances just like an AFC!
 

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not long after i do a favor for a girl i make her do one for me. i try to mirror the level. if i throw out some trash for her i might ask her later if she got some gum and then if i feel like ****ing with her i might turn down the gum and say that flavor isn't any good.
 
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