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not calling a girl after a 1st date, has the girl ever contacted u?

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im curious if any of u have dated a super hot HB model type material, had a relatively ok date, but she showed signs of disrespect at the end i.e. taking phone calls on the date, inviting her friends to join u on the date.. she showed signs of disinterest from the start. u managed to raise some interest during but then cos of her disrespect u decide not to call her.

has anyone ever had success by not calling after the 1st date?

i feel this girl i just saw has never had a guy not call her back in her life after a 1st date. but her actions speak louder than words. if she enjoyed my company she'd make sure her friend not come join us, i felt it just was disrespectful and showed me that she wasnt interested.

it also doesnt help that i was like 'oh you're leaving in 6 days, its a shame i didnt meet u at beginning of the year.'
 

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Not no

Hell no.

If i have a bad date with a chick, which was as boring for her as it was for me, I don't call and I don't expect her to call either. Its over.
 

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dude...what? Taking phone calls on the date? I would have taken her phone and threw it down the street and then left her there by herself.

Don't call her ever.

Next time you see her out somewhere, be sure that you totally forgot her name and everything about her.
 

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dude...what? Taking phone calls on the date? I would have taken her phone and threw it down the street and then left her there by herself.

Don't call her ever.

Next time you see her out somewhere, be sure that you totally forgot her name and everything about her.
dude you'd be surprised.. these girls are all attached to their phones. i been on so many dates where they either a)take the call without asking then apologise as they take it. b)ask u if its ok if they can take it.

if a) occurs i neg them for it after. if b) occurs i say 'ok but u know its rude to take calls on dates' if she says 'well this isn't a date' i think im suppose to get up and leave.

it seems strange overreacting to her taking a phone call on a date by storming off.. i think she's just testing u,

my situation is bad cos i didnt get a chance to finish when i told her that its rude to take calls on dates.. and she goes on to say 'oh come on this is my best friend its something serious im not going to tell her she cant come/not take the call'

then her friend arrived so i wasn't able to counter respond with 'doesn't matter if you're on a date its rude.. theres nothing important that requires u to take the call esp if it has anything to do with guy probs.. that can wait to later.. its us time now. ;)'
 

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dude you'd be surprised.. these girls are all attached to their phones. i been on so many dates where they either a)take the call without asking then apologise as they take it. b)ask u if its ok if they can take it.

if a) occurs i neg them for it after. if b) occurs i say 'ok but u know its rude to take calls on dates' if she says 'well this isn't a date' i think im suppose to get up and leave.

it seems strange overreacting to her taking a phone call on a date by storming off.. i think she's just testing u,

my situation is bad cos i didnt get a chance to finish when i told her that its rude to take calls on dates.. and she goes on to say 'oh come on this is my best friend its something serious im not going to tell her she cant come/not take the call'

then her friend arrived so i wasn't able to counter respond with 'doesn't matter if you're on a date its rude.. theres nothing important that requires u to take the call esp if it has anything to do with guy probs.. that can wait to later.. its us time now. ;)'

Uh...no. I know what you are saying, but its wrong and stupid to think that. If a chic ever started talking on the phone when I was on a date with her, I would ditch her right there. Its common courtesy for all chics to put their phone on vibrate and have it in their purse when on a date.

Unless... she pre-arranged for someone to call her at a specified time just so she could have an excuse to end the date by saying "its an emergency/mom/girlfriend/anything the chic can possibly say that will make you actually think that the phone call is important so that she can leave without having to feel guilty for telling you she isn't interested"

I have done the same thing with ugly girls when on a blind date. I just have my friend either call me at 10:00pm and give him/her the codeword for "its ok" or "come get me" or have a cute girl I know "just happen" to be at the place we are going.

As much as this website continues to put forth the idea that things just randomly happen...they don't. Everything that happened to you has been planned already by her.
 

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Duffdog said:
Uh...no. I know what you are saying, but its wrong and stupid to think that. If a chic ever started talking on the phone when I was on a date with her, I would ditch her right there. Its common courtesy for all chics to put their phone on vibrate and have it in their purse when on a date.

Unless... she pre-arranged for someone to call her at a specified time just so she could have an excuse to end the date by saying "its an emergency/mom/girlfriend/anything the chic can possibly say that will make you actually think that the phone call is important so that she can leave without having to feel guilty for telling you she isn't interested"

I have done the same thing with ugly girls when on a blind date. I just have my friend either call me at 10:00pm and give him/her the codeword for "its ok" or "come get me" or have a cute girl I know "just happen" to be at the place we are going.

As much as this website continues to put forth the idea that things just randomly happen...they don't. Everything that happened to you has been planned already by her.
yeah i think you're right, it does seem as if everything was pre-planned despite it being coincidental. i knew she was going out after, and i knew her friend would be coming down to meet her later at the club, but it does seem as if she wanted her friend to come down to save her. she was just being a b1tch.

i've noticed that some of these girls just to be b1tchy will try to belittle u or put u down behind your back even if she quite likes u to save face.. it's like when her friend arrived i felt tension between me and her 1 friend i didnt like her attitude, i didnt really talk to her cos i was talking to her guy friend who was cool. i should maybe have interacted the whole group and said something funny cos getting approval from her friend may be better overall.

but anyway i think you're right, despite me thinking i did well to the extent she was opening up, she probably just didnt want to be there anymore. i tried my best for it to not affect me negging her on her bad behaviour but it just seemed as if she just wasn't interested as she appeared as last week, hey maybe she met a new guy who knows. all i know is that i feel i didnt demonstrate enough high value and didnt respond right to her negging me.

i shouldn't have let her get away with her BS response of 'come on.. this is my best friend here! im not going to tell her not to come if it's something important she wants to talk about' i've started to say exactly what im thinking at the time cos i felt that was bulllsh1t but unfortunately her friend arrived at that exact moment when i wanted to respond so it was too late. she got up to greet them, i should have got up as well and greeted them and walked out?
 
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drift king said:
dude you'd be surprised.. these girls are all attached to their phones. i been on so many dates where they either a)take the call without asking then apologise as they take it. b)ask u if its ok if they can take it.

if a) occurs i neg them for it after. if b) occurs i say 'ok but u know its rude to take calls on dates' if she says 'well this isn't a date' i think im suppose to get up and leave.

it seems strange overreacting to her taking a phone call on a date by storming off.. i think she's just testing u,

my situation is bad cos i didnt get a chance to finish when i told her that its rude to take calls on dates.. and she goes on to say 'oh come on this is my best friend its something serious im not going to tell her she cant come/not take the call'

then her friend arrived so i wasn't able to counter respond with 'doesn't matter if you're on a date its rude.. theres nothing important that requires u to take the call esp if it has anything to do with guy probs.. that can wait to later.. its us time now. ;)'
I've never had a woman take a phone call while I was on a date with her.

These women have no respect for you.
 

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ok but back to the topic.. if the girl thinks shes superhot and never in her life had a guy not call her back after a 1st date would she really contact you after?

it helps shes european so has different customs and more independent. i already told her about my checklist of things i look for behaviour wise so she'll be aware of that. im not calling her (even tho it's suppose to be my responsibility) because i feel that if i do she'll just not pick up and be satisfied that she could have me.

by me not calling her i would have thought she'd be affected by this, assuming she has some interest after our drink. her bullsh1t tests i didnt' exactly pass as i didn't leave as her friends came but i did exit quite smoothly.

also was it a mistake me saying 'ok so maybe we'll see each other again before you leave..' she goes 'yeah maybe we'll see..' i think this was a mistake on my part indicating i wanted to see her again next time rather than making her wonder if i'll call. if i made no mention of that then she wouldn't know.
 

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yeah i think you're right, it does seem as if everything was pre-planned despite it being coincidental. i knew she was going out after, and i knew her friend would be coming down to meet her later at the club, but it does seem as if she wanted her friend to come down to save her. she was just being a b1tch.

i've noticed that some of these girls just to be b1tchy will try to belittle u or put u down behind your back even if she quite likes u to save face.. it's like when her friend arrived i felt tension between me and her 1 friend i didnt like her attitude, i didnt really talk to her cos i was talking to her guy friend who was cool. i should maybe have interacted the whole group and said something funny cos getting approval from her friend may be better overall.

but anyway i think you're right, despite me thinking i did well to the extent she was opening up, she probably just didnt want to be there anymore. i tried my best for it to not affect me negging her on her bad behaviour but it just seemed as if she just wasn't interested as she appeared as last week, hey maybe she met a new guy who knows. all i know is that i feel i didnt demonstrate enough high value and didnt respond right to her negging me.

i shouldn't have let her get away with her BS response of 'come on.. this is my best friend here! im not going to tell her not to come if it's something important she wants to talk about' i've started to say exactly what im thinking at the time cos i felt that was bulllsh1t but unfortunately her friend arrived at that exact moment when i wanted to respond so it was too late. she got up to greet them, i should have got up as well and greeted them and walked out?
This will sound way counterintuitive to what this site preaches. I think that you should totally surprise her. Hot girls are used to thinking that they are smarter than everyone else because their looks let them get away with all sorts of BS. When the girl answered the phone, I would have let her have it. Seriously. I would have called her out on her little plan in front of everyone and laid out exactly what she was thinking to her. And I would have done it loudly to embarrass the hell out of her.

When you surprise a girl and call her on her sh1t, she is forced to respect you. Even though she probably won't like you, you now look like a guy who doesn't take sh1t from girls and if they try to run game on you. That is tremendously valuable to any male. Yeah, she will try to deny it and make up all sorts of lies to make it look like there really was an emergency even though there wasn't. Stand your ground and continue to call her on everything she is trying to run on you. Then, when you stand up and leave, knowing that you both surprised the fvck out of her and crushed her self esteem -- go hit on another girl with your new found confidence.

Most guys would either do nothing, or..."not give a fvck"...(which pisses me off because that is the same as not doing anything, yet he is rationalizing why he doesn't care even though he really does.) Bottom line is that some chic walked all over you and you took it. Don't take it anymore.
 

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This will sound way counterintuitive to what this site preaches. I think that you should totally surprise her. Hot girls are used to thinking that they are smarter than everyone else because their looks let them get away with all sorts of BS. When the girl answered the phone, I would have let her have it. Seriously. I would have called her out on her little plan in front of everyone and laid out exactly what she was thinking to her. And I would have done it loudly to embarrass the hell out of her.

When you surprise a girl and call her on her sh1t, she is forced to respect you. Even though she probably won't like you, you now look like a guy who doesn't take sh1t from girls and if they try to run game on you. That is tremendously valuable to any male. Yeah, she will try to deny it and make up all sorts of lies to make it look like there really was an emergency even though there wasn't. Stand your ground and continue to call her on everything she is trying to run on you. Then, when you stand up and leave, knowing that you both surprised the fvck out of her and crushed her self esteem -- go hit on another girl with your new found confidence.

Most guys would either do nothing, or..."not give a fvck"...(which pisses me off because that is the same as not doing anything, yet he is rationalizing why he doesn't care even though he really does.) Bottom line is that some chic walked all over you and you took it. Don't take it anymore.
i like this, but wouldn't she think you're some psycho if you are calling her out on the game plan of her calling a friend to save her?

i thought at first it seemed natural cos she told me before she was going out somewhere and her friends coming down were the 1s she was going out partying with after, it seems strange how she'd get a friend to come all the way down via a 1/2hour cab ride who also had a guy friend with her, the girl arrived about 5mins after she got the call, i like to think it wasnt planned but now im paranoid.
 

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I recently took this girl out to a $200 + dollar dinner and haven't heard from her since.
 

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I recently took this girl out to a $200 + dollar dinner and haven't heard from her since.
that's why I don't spend much money on a girl until I've ****ed her. And even then I would only do it if I'd been seeing her for a while.
 

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that's why I don't spend much money on a girl until I've ****ed her. And even then I would only do it if I'd been seeing her for a while.
I just always wanted to try this restaurant, and I felt most at ease doing it with a hot girl at my table, so I took this girl there who I met in college simply because she looked good.
 

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I just always wanted to try this restaurant, and I felt most at ease doing it with a hot girl at my table, so I took this girl there who I met in college simply because she looked good.
well, as long as you didn't spend money with the goal of fvcking her. Yeah, I'm all for spending money because you want to.
 

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First of all this chick isn't interested in you....

Second of all your over-analyzing a sitaution from a girl who treated you like dog-$hit....

Lastly for a girl to be affected by your actions she has to have INTEREST in you! If she has low to no interest, you not calling isn't going to make her pick up her phone and call.

You were in the friend zone before you even realized it. It has nothing to do with her being European etc, she had low interest and that's all there is to it.

Its all cool, you went out with a prissy HB, who thinks she own the world. Dime a dozen.... move on and find a better chick.



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guywhoneedshelp said:
I recently took this girl out to a $200 + dollar dinner and haven't heard from her since.
$200 dollars???

You spent $200 dollars taking a girl out? On a first date?

Man,NO WAY. No way in the world I'd spend $200 bucks on a date...and ESPECIALLY not a first date.

Other than spending money to put gas in my car,I don't spend money on a first date. For first dates,I always take women to the SAME place...the park. The reason why is because I want to get to know the girl before I come up out of my pocket for her. I want to make sure I like her and she likes me...FIRST. Then once that's been established,I'll spend money on her.

If we go to the park and it turns out that I don't like her,or she doesn't like me,then fine. At least I found out before I spent my hard earned cash on her.

The last thing I want to do is take a girl out,spent 50 bucks on her,then at the end of the date,she tells me how great of a guy I am and how I'm going to make some girl very happy some day,but she doesn't think we should go out again.

Rejection is fine,but to be turned down AND out 50 dollars???

Uhh...no.

That ain't gonna happen.

And since I'm the one approaching the girl,since I'm the one who's risking rejection,and I'm the one asking her out,then I'M THE ONE who's going to decide where we go,and I SAY we're going to the park.

The women don't care. They're just glad to have the man take the lead and plan out the date instead asking them out,then saying,"Uhh..so what do you want to do?".

Just my 2 cents.

$200 bucks???

Sheeeesh!:crackup:
 
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