"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Deadly_Ripped

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I've been hanging out with this girl (see post SHE'S SO PERFECT) and she is fantastic, but she's also fresh out of a 3 yr relationship, and she's got guys falling all over her. She's definitely interested in being friends, but I think her jury's still out on the relationship side of things. I've been thinking and it's probably due to that fact that we conversate for hours but rarely flirt, and that she likes all of this attention from guys now that she's single. This next time we hang out, supposed to be this friday or saturday, it going to be time to get down or get out of this bull****. She's a great person but I am not going to be kept on the back burner like a pot of boiling water (and I'd say I'm just about as hot for this chick as a pot of boiling water for WAY more reasons than her body or money).

This weekend we were supposed to go indoor rock climbing, and afterwards I am going to give her an ultimatum..... Either get with this or this is getting with someone else because I've got 3 girls who want my blls right now. The truth is I don't want any of them, and I have MAJOR oneitis for this girl.

It turns out that the rock gym closed down for good, and all other places are WAY too expensive, so I need to come up with an alternative.

I was thinking about mackin it to her on a hike, since she and I love the gret outdoors and we both like screwing in wierd places (we've talked about it). I figure the hike would allow me to try to get some flirting in there and eventually the conversation would turn sexual and I'd have no choice but to jack her up against a tree and the rest should be history.

I figured that the rock climbing thing woul dbe good because it's kinda like a trust exercise and a little like bondage **** (I always use that joke when I go with a girl) and I can show aggression and physical abilities.

Since the climbing thing is out, and it's starting to get a little cold, I'm trying to explore other active activities that she and I could do that might lead to some heart-pumping fun followed by heart-pumping action.

Thanks for any suggestsions,

Deadly_Ripped
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

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afterwards I am going to give her an ultimatum..... Either get with this or this is getting with someone else
NOOOO!! No ultimatums. You can't pressure her into having high interest.

You should NOT be worried about monogamous bf/gf relationships - that's the chick's job! Every other guy is begging to be her boyfriend. You should show your interest NON-VERBALLY and let her bring up a relationship (if ever).

If you wanna play hardball: Say that girl you're seeing is jeleaous and pushing for committment. Ask her opinion: should guys be allowed to have attractive female friends? Make it seem like one of your 3 other chicks are trying to cut her out of the picture.

Sux about the rock climbing. You might wanna suck it up and go to an expesive place. Isn't it annoying when people don't follow through with their plans?

You could go climbing real rocks . . .
 

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Yeah, I am going to see what she thinks about going to another place, but that's like 70 bucks between the initial lesson and the day of climbing fee. I like your advice about playing hardball, but I don't like the feeling that she might just be enjoying my and other guys' attention.

Unfortunately real rocks means toproping with our own equipment, which is a few hundred dollars worth of rope, harnesses, and other equipment.

I know a guy in the army who has friends that love rock climbing but the last thing I want to do is introduce her to my friend's ultra-rock hard manly army buddies.

I will avoid the whole ultimatum thing... thanks for the perspective. Anyone have alternatives to climbing like ice skating, roller skating, bowling, anything somewhat active.
 
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i used to rock climb (at an indoor place no real rocks around here)


i would just go ice skating just as much kino ops there (ALOT of kino if she cant skate)

dont push too hard dude thats a turn off
 
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