Noob Needing advice! Friend zoned!?

[RU18QT?]

I am starting to come around, I have days where I feel I can conquer the world and any woman in it... and then theres days when I completely forget what I am doing all together.

I've been seeing one girl, been on probably about 8 dates with her, She treats me both like a friend and flirts with me/touchs me, I am too big of a wuss to lay a kiss on her and it seams like the more time goes by the less chance i have. We really get along great but I am really not sure if I've been friend zoned..

During late night txting:

Me: Wow thats not cool, I am going to put you on my never talk to again list!
Her: What no don't do that!
Me: What other list can i even put you on, you leave me no choice!
Her: You need to put me on the most important person in you life list!

Then the next day while she was bored at work she was txting me, I made her list reasons why I should put her on that list.

I just got back from a date with her, we went to a movie... I was stoked for bowling with her but after I picked her up(no car) she told me she wasn't wearing socks. I complained and told her she blew her chances with me and that it really wasn't acceptable but we can still goto a movie for lack of better things to do. All in all our date went good... busted on her a bit and she seamed to respond well to it.

Anyways thats not really the problem I am having.... Last time I hung out with her (day or so after above late night txting) I asked HER to be my GF (HAHA! STFU! Idiot friends all told me to do it. I couldn't think for myself ) Well she obviously turned me down.. I even went about it in an extremly ***** way! day of we were exchanging txts..

Me: We need to have a talk tonight too!
Her: About what?
Me: About how your obviously in love with me and talk about relationships around me way to much

Got no response from her after that but we still got together, When I brought up the txt:

Me: So what did my txt scare you or something?
Her: No, well ummm.... **goes into super shy, cant talk, keeps telling me not to look at her mode**

I thought this translated into "wow i like you so much i cant even have this conversation with you!" anyways i just drop it, all in all it seamed to be going good, i even stole 20bux from her and put it in my pocket, i goto take her home after and we share chit chat in my car in front of her house..

Me: So what are you going to go tell all your girl friends we are dating now?
Her: I dont know
Me: Well what do u mean you dont know, do you or dont u want a relationship with me?
Her: I dont know
Me: What?
Her: I just dont know

To me anything but yes is a no, anyways after i ask her that she changes the topic and we have about a 30min conversation and finally i kick her outta my car so i can goto bed, She says to me "well i guess I'll see you Monday?"

So she shut me down, then made another date with me, next day at 8am i get a txt from her "you actualy stole my money!!" eventualy I responed with something retarded like "you can have it when you give me an answer thats not i dont know"... I ignored her Monday when she sent me a mid day txt. Tuesday she txts me asking how works going, i txt her back saying "busy busy! bowling later? I am busy till like 8 I'll call you when I am done" get no response back all day or if i did it wasn't about our date. I get a txt from her at like 7:45, I Call her at 8:15 "hey whats up?" she's busy, she's watching a hockey game(i am from Canada!) But whatever I didn't really mind I ended up going to staples and practices some DJing on some slimmies that work there(it was a conquer the world day).

So you think all hope is lost??? If not where do I go with this.. I am thinking I need to make her want me more and get her to kiss me but I am still new and haven't 100% figured out how to do this so help would be appreciated!!

i know i should probably just say **** it and move on, I contemplated confessing to her that I know I ****ed up, didn't care and that I wouldn't mind being her friend as long as she helped me with picking up other girls... but as of now I figure she is already willing to hang out with me so it cant really hurt to try out some techniques on her even if I cant save it.

 

[Tenzen]

should of kissed her on one of those damn dates.. before u ask her to be ur gf. u gotta kiss her man shes not going to get any easier to game. The money part is a lil fcuked up but w/e. What works for me landing that first kiss is if shes laying down she can't really move her head back or anything so the rejection goes right out the window u have less to worry about, she can only slide her head to the left or right but its better then a chick moving backwards when u go in for that kiss. just my 2 cents, peace

 

[Snow Plowman]

Mistakes
1. 8 dates!!!!! WTF?
2. Haven't kissed her yet
3. Asking her to be your GF and you haven't even fuked her yet
4. Going all AFC wanting an answer as to whether or not your bf/gf

All I gotta say is next time you see her kiss her. Don't know how? Easy just move in and kiss. You sound deseperate trying to push for a relationship, thats a females job not yours.

 

[hbxdoode]

first of all your posting is wayyy too long, i got really tired of reading it, got lost for a minute. anyways damn bro 8 dates is alot of dates for not kissing someone... she obviously likes you in some ways, or else she wouldnt go on all those dates with you. just kiss her next time and get it over with!!!!!!!

 

[PectoralisMajor]

I'd also like to add that:

1) your not seeing other girls as well as this one which is making you needy towards her.

Whats with not kissing her yet man - thats just plain weird.

After the 2nd date she would be thinking 'why has he not kissed me yet' ,
after 4 dates 'is this ever going to happen?'
After 8 dates 'lost any excitement and hope of a kiss' -> she then moves onto a guy who will come up with the goods

You were good at getting her to justify why she was worthy of you, then you messed up big time by going for a relationship - ahhhhhhh it hurts.

live and learn - the outlook is not so good with her now buddy

 

[RU18QT?]

I actually am seeing other girls, I defiantly don't try to be needy towards her and at this point I honestly don't even care anymore but the fact that I didn't succeed at something makes me want to keep perusing it, as stupid as that sounds.

Its been 8 dates over about 3 months. I realize not kissing her on the first couple dates was a huge mistake and unfortunately I had no idea what I was doing when I first started seeing her. Now that I am starting to understand why this stuff works I see where I've messed up large and where I've done good.

Its time to move on.. Next time she calls me or I see her somewhere I am just going to tell her she blew it and its over, If she wants to come crawling back maybe I'll give her a second chance.

 

[Ostepop]

WTF!!!! why did you steal her money?

Also, how can you expect a girl to be your girlfriend if you haven't even kissed her yet?

 

[RU18QT?]

We went out for ice cream, Every time we go out to do something she usually pays.. not because I am poor or a cheap skate, I think she just wants to be looked at as someone who can take care of herself. I ordered us ice cream then she came running up to pay, i took her money and put it in my pocket and then payed with my money, I forgot to give it back to her(not on purpose).

I honestly don't know why I expected her to be my gf, I think it had a lot to do with retarded AFC friends telling me to do it and calling me a wuss for not asking her yet.

 

[Ostepop]

You need cooler friends to take advice from. Asking other virgins how to get laid isn't exactly going to help you much.

You wouldn't take financial advice from a homeless person would you?

 

[Jukeboxhero]

SO you took her money and wouldn't give it back until she gave you an answer?

I don't think you really have the right do that kinda stuff man. You can take something that belongs to someone and NOT give it back until they do something that you want them to. Anyways, it sounds like she's moved on....give her money back and move on yourself. At least stop calling her and begging her to spend any small amount of time with you.

 

[RU18QT?]

Wasn't my intentions to steal her money and didn't plan on trying to use it against her, I did give her the money back too.

 

[Luveno]

You've waited too long. She now considers you a virgin wimp. Your only hope now is to make yourself disappear for a few years. Go spin more plates.

 

[RU18QT?]

her birthday tomorrow, she txted me today with:

"were all going out for my birthday tonight, let me know if you want to come"

I already have plans for tonight with another girl but she has to work in the morning so i doubt I'll be with her very late, should i go out and wish her a happy bday or not even bother.. I mean i do spend a fair bit of time with her so it'd be kinda rude not to but on the other hand i don't really care anymore.

 

[Tenzen]

Go wish her a happy birthday, avoid talking to her, don't look into her eyes, and stay for only 10-20 min then leave. She will probably text u begging like where did u go?> Come back to me blah blah. If that goes as planned if u go back she'll probably be all over u. Alcohol would help u on this one too.

 

[The Sperminator]

Dude she still likes you if she didn't she wouldn't be inviting you to places with her or even talk to you anymore. You still have a chance. Whatever you do don't bring up the bf/gf thing again and try to kiss her.