So most of the information passed around here is geared toward getting sex. I’m just interested in dating and potentially making a relationship with genuinely nice, sweet girls, most likely virgins in the 18-21 age range, that don’t do recreational drugs or excessive drinking. So in my experience these girls are pretty hard to find since they don’t go out as much; and that girls can be very deceptive as to how sweet they actually are. I’m trying figure out where these girls can be found and ways to spot them for cold approaches. Does anyone have suggestions for this or actually shared this interest?
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
nice, sweet girls
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Yes, I know, it's not the easiest thing to do, but there is a fair amount of girls who are like this, they just aren't going to any frat parties or the like and they don't draw your attention, but they do exist and do go out into the public.
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Mortukai
Don Juan
So you want a genuine, attractive, sweet, innocent, virgin, between 18 and 21 yo, who doesn't do drugs or drink excessively.....
Well, the chances of one of them existing, are approximately equal to the chance of you dropping a ball-bearing out of a 747 at 20,000 ft, and having that ball-bearing land on an egg sandwhich. The chances of you actually finding and getting with such a girl are equal to the chance that when the ball-bearing hit the egg sandwich, it turned into a 17th century flintlock pistol made of elephant meat.
I suggest you instead focus your energies on something more within the realms of possibility, like inventing a portable time machine that tastes like chicken.
Well, the chances of one of them existing, are approximately equal to the chance of you dropping a ball-bearing out of a 747 at 20,000 ft, and having that ball-bearing land on an egg sandwhich. The chances of you actually finding and getting with such a girl are equal to the chance that when the ball-bearing hit the egg sandwich, it turned into a 17th century flintlock pistol made of elephant meat.
I suggest you instead focus your energies on something more within the realms of possibility, like inventing a portable time machine that tastes like chicken.
I didn't say anything about looks, but I do require I be atracted to her. I also don't care if she virgin or not, it just seems likely. I'd say about 5-10% of girls 18-21 fit this bill. I'm friends with a few of them, almost all of my friends who have LTRs are seeing them, my sister is one of them... I think I encounter 1 or 2 a month not trying too hard to; I'm going to make the most of these encounters, but I'd like to up that number to like 3-4.
I think I might have some luck with sports and fitness classes. Anyone got other ideas?
I think I might have some luck with sports and fitness classes. Anyone got other ideas?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
TheDarkSaint
Don Juan
Church is about the only place you'll find those kinds of girls in a social context that is easy to meet them.
Be prepared to be thumped on the head with a bible though.
Be prepared to be thumped on the head with a bible though.
TACH
Don Juan
Break out your bible, 'god's house' is likely the only place these chicks exist. Even then, they might not be as pure as you want them to.
What a load of crap.
I'm sorry boys....
But despite popular opinion, there's *plenty* of the kind of girls you're after around.
As long as you're sure you want a shy girl
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Given they're that way usually because of chance, there's no hard and fast answer to finding one...
I'm sorry boys....
But despite popular opinion, there's *plenty* of the kind of girls you're after around.
As long as you're sure you want a shy girl
.Given they're that way usually because of chance, there's no hard and fast answer to finding one...
themanwithnoname
Senior Don Juan
hey man, this is the funniest joke i've heard all day!
Thanks for agreeing with me Relic. Some of you guys are being ridiculous. Also I never said they couldn’t have done recreational drugs or excessively drunk in the past. I just don’t want to have to deal with that now.
Yes, the internet isn’t all that bad, I’ve used it to some success; however, I want to experience more real world approaches and compare the two.
I think your right about the shy thing. I find a certain allure to shy girls, but really social and friendly ones are nice too, I guess I don’t care really.
Yes, the internet isn’t all that bad, I’ve used it to some success; however, I want to experience more real world approaches and compare the two.
I think your right about the shy thing. I find a certain allure to shy girls, but really social and friendly ones are nice too, I guess I don’t care really.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Mortukai
Don Juan
I think some people need a wake up call. Let's look at the girl you want:
1.Genuinely sweet/nice
2.Possible virgin
3.Doesn't (currently) do any drugs/heavy drinking despite being:
4.Between the ages of 18-21
5.Attractive enough that you feel attracted to her.
So.... basically you want every guy's dream girl. Let's look at each of these things in turn.
1. I don't know any guys that like b!tches, or fake chicks. Any chick who is genuinely sweet and nice, even if she's shy, will be drastically increasing her chances of guys trying to game them.
2. I don't know any guys who like their chicks to be slvts. Any chick that appears to be innocent, or at least doesn't appear like a slvt, will have many more guys hitting on her than slvttier chicks, all things being equal. Funnily enough, this also seriously decreases the chances that she will still be innocent(ish).
3 + 4. These two go hand in hand. I don't know any guys who like drugfvcked alcoholics, and every guy, even those in their 40's, all want to get with chicks around 20yrs old. Between the ages of 16 and 24 is when chicks are in "party" mode. Reality still hasn't hit them yet, and they still think they'll be young and hot forever. If any girl is ever going to be doing drugs or drinking excessively, it's going to be in this age range. And many, many girls do.
5. I don't know any guys who aren't attracted to attractive chicks (crazy, I know). Any attractive chick, no matter how shy (unless she's agoraphobic), will be hit on by guys whenever she goes out. If she's hot enough for you to be attracted to her, she's hot enough for other guys to be attracted to her.
All these things combined are the reason that attractive chicks who meet the requirements you laid out are extraordinarily rare. Not only is it unlikely that such a girl will exist, but it's also unlikely she'll be single if she does. Any girl like this would have guys on her like stink on sh!t. Every man here on this site would game her in a second. This fact alone would result in her very quickly becoming less "sweet and nice", because she'd have to develop the same b!tch shields that every other attractive girl develops.
If you meet a sweet girl, who you think is genuine, I promise you she's sucked miles of d!ck. I've met many, many girls who seem deceptively innocent, and it appears that the more innocent they appear, the more of a wh0re they really are. And I'm talking 17yr girls who've already fvcked upwards of 30 guys, but you'd never know unless you got to know them as well as I did. Their "sweetness" is merely a clever ploy, playing on the very fact that guys are attracted to this trait.
You only have one chance as I see it: Raid an Amish community.
Either that or lower your standards. You can find mostly nice girls who are attractive and who aren't complete alcoholics. They won't be anything close to virgins though.
1.Genuinely sweet/nice
2.Possible virgin
3.Doesn't (currently) do any drugs/heavy drinking despite being:
4.Between the ages of 18-21
5.Attractive enough that you feel attracted to her.
So.... basically you want every guy's dream girl. Let's look at each of these things in turn.
1. I don't know any guys that like b!tches, or fake chicks. Any chick who is genuinely sweet and nice, even if she's shy, will be drastically increasing her chances of guys trying to game them.
2. I don't know any guys who like their chicks to be slvts. Any chick that appears to be innocent, or at least doesn't appear like a slvt, will have many more guys hitting on her than slvttier chicks, all things being equal. Funnily enough, this also seriously decreases the chances that she will still be innocent(ish).
3 + 4. These two go hand in hand. I don't know any guys who like drugfvcked alcoholics, and every guy, even those in their 40's, all want to get with chicks around 20yrs old. Between the ages of 16 and 24 is when chicks are in "party" mode. Reality still hasn't hit them yet, and they still think they'll be young and hot forever. If any girl is ever going to be doing drugs or drinking excessively, it's going to be in this age range. And many, many girls do.
5. I don't know any guys who aren't attracted to attractive chicks (crazy, I know). Any attractive chick, no matter how shy (unless she's agoraphobic), will be hit on by guys whenever she goes out. If she's hot enough for you to be attracted to her, she's hot enough for other guys to be attracted to her.
All these things combined are the reason that attractive chicks who meet the requirements you laid out are extraordinarily rare. Not only is it unlikely that such a girl will exist, but it's also unlikely she'll be single if she does. Any girl like this would have guys on her like stink on sh!t. Every man here on this site would game her in a second. This fact alone would result in her very quickly becoming less "sweet and nice", because she'd have to develop the same b!tch shields that every other attractive girl develops.
If you meet a sweet girl, who you think is genuine, I promise you she's sucked miles of d!ck. I've met many, many girls who seem deceptively innocent, and it appears that the more innocent they appear, the more of a wh0re they really are. And I'm talking 17yr girls who've already fvcked upwards of 30 guys, but you'd never know unless you got to know them as well as I did. Their "sweetness" is merely a clever ploy, playing on the very fact that guys are attracted to this trait.
You only have one chance as I see it: Raid an Amish community.
Either that or lower your standards. You can find mostly nice girls who are attractive and who aren't complete alcoholics. They won't be anything close to virgins though.
frivolousz21
Master Don Juan
this is why you see me on here boasting about my girl.
because I have exactly what you want..and believe me..its not fake..and they are out there!
1. she is 21
2. virgin(about to change)
3. never did drugs, never will. does drink some..which is good
4. college educated almost graduated.
5. morals and values
6. and is massively into me.
these women exist....and they are worthwhile.
good luck man!
:woo:
because I have exactly what you want..and believe me..its not fake..and they are out there!
1. she is 21
2. virgin(about to change)
3. never did drugs, never will. does drink some..which is good
4. college educated almost graduated.
5. morals and values
6. and is massively into me.
these women exist....and they are worthwhile.
good luck man!
:woo:
Mortukai, I think your overlooking a lot of stuff:
1. Shy girls that don't go out much, or ever to something like a frat party aren't increasing their chances of being "gamed". I know there's plenty of guys who will take faker girls if they look more attractive.
2. Umm... I think about 90% of the guys on this site will have little to no interest in a girl who won't put out.
3+4. There's just as many guys in "party mode" too. They love to consume drugs with their gf. There's many, many girls 18-21 who aren't doing drugs.
5. I don't require she be especially attractive, the girls I want will not be dressing provocatively either.
These girls are fairly rare, yes, extraordinarily, no. The downright hot, uncreative, not genuinely nice, lacking social skills girls will likely be single because of their b1tch-shields, yes.
I know girls can be very deceptive, this was in my 3rd sentence.
My standards for girls in no way exceed and often go below what they would find in me. Again, I don't require she be a virgin.
1. Shy girls that don't go out much, or ever to something like a frat party aren't increasing their chances of being "gamed". I know there's plenty of guys who will take faker girls if they look more attractive.
2. Umm... I think about 90% of the guys on this site will have little to no interest in a girl who won't put out.
3+4. There's just as many guys in "party mode" too. They love to consume drugs with their gf. There's many, many girls 18-21 who aren't doing drugs.
5. I don't require she be especially attractive, the girls I want will not be dressing provocatively either.
These girls are fairly rare, yes, extraordinarily, no. The downright hot, uncreative, not genuinely nice, lacking social skills girls will likely be single because of their b1tch-shields, yes.
I know girls can be very deceptive, this was in my 3rd sentence.
My standards for girls in no way exceed and often go below what they would find in me. Again, I don't require she be a virgin.