Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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Nice Guys Finish... First?.. Wtf!!??

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girls, some times go for nice guys... but why? we all know why girls like jerks, but why do girls like nice nice guys? if you say becuse there are no jerks around thats bull... there are allways jerks to chose? dont say pitty either.. what is it about these spinle less afcs that women could possibly want? ... im a nice guyish.. i'll edmit it... but ... speak to me here.. why do girl like nice guys? are masculine women actractied to feminem men? is that it? dose she not notice the nice guy is nice, and think he has some tough secret side hes hiding... give me the 411
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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LikRetsam

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That's what they do if it's what they like. Some girls will like AFCs. OR, DJs are in short supply. hahaha.
 

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i don't...think...women...like....nice....nice....nice....nice.....nice....guys. only nice....nice....nice....unexperienced.....afc.....women do.
 

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Simple, you can be a nice guy and not an AFC at the same time. A nice guy pulls out chairs, opens doors, compliments the ladies, and is generally thoughtful and considerate. An AFC stalks the women, drools all over them, does absolutely everything he can to please her holiness and either scares her away or bores her to tears.
 

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Originally posted by SnatchJP
A nice guy pulls out chairs, opens doors, compliments the ladies, and is generally thoughtful and considerate.
What you have described is the "great" guy. There is a difference my friends. I've read that women don't want the nice guy, but the great guy. The nice guy does all those things but might not necessarily stand his ground when trouble arises. The great guy will do all the things that the nice guy does but he has balls and knows that he is a man and portrays the image of a man who just knows how to treat a lady right. So in turn, to answer your question. Women don't like a nice guy. Women like a great guy.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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AGREED.

I don't know if it's me, but I really didn't get much accomplished with women being a nice guy. As DJ's, we try to strive to be the "classy" guy. The guy that stands out in the crowd. Sure he pulls out chairs, compliments his date, opens doors, and all of that good stuff, but he also has the gall to stand up for himself. That's really what the women want guys :]
 

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Well put, Semper (and Jerky), thats more like what I was trying to say.


Remember, DJ does not equal Jerk. Dj takes the best parts of jerk and nice guy and combines them. Jerk AFCs generally need to become nicer, while nice guy AFCs need to become more... well, jerklike (for lack of a better word). This site is geared toward becoming more jerklike because the majority of AFCs by FAR on this board lean towards the nice guy end of the spectrum when they start out. (figures. How many jerks are gonna look for answers to their problems on the web?)
 

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"Great" guy does those thing but portrays the image that he's doing it only to be polite/respectful. And does not show any other motive to his actions.

that is why they are so powerful.
 

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the great guy is a gentleman, pulling out chairs, opening doors doing all that nice stuff is being a gentleman...and you actually need to have that to have game.

giving gifts to women all the time, inviting her to dinner, giving her thoughtful poems everyday, calling her 20 times a day thats being a nice guy. that messes you up

also sometimes girls go for nice guys bc nice guys will suck up to them and kiss their ass...maybe they do it bc they like nice free dinners around or just somebody kissing her ass, but on the side she will deffintly be cheating on his ass.
 
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