I_Only_Live_Once
Senior Don Juan
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I get what he's saying. Although he definetly shouldn't be waiting around hoping that he will be rewarded.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Nice Guys are just like wine…..Jerks become like vinegar
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Skydiver43127
Senior Don Juan
Why the heck are you wasting forum space for this junk? Three words for you - Time management! Yup, that's tree words, but said efficiently 
You can do everything you want, everything you have a long-term need to do, some useless things you just feel like doing (writing this for example) and still have time to spare.
Even saying this is a waste of time. You're just gonna start making some stupid lists and timesheets. Heck, I don't even know how to explain it to you. I just CANNOT do things the way you do - one thing at a time, with absolutely no understanding of the real benefits you get for doing what you are doing IN THIS EXACT SECOND. I can't even understand it - can't you get it's not about the investment of time being short-term or long-term, but about profitability?
You can do everything you want, everything you have a long-term need to do, some useless things you just feel like doing (writing this for example) and still have time to spare.
Even saying this is a waste of time. You're just gonna start making some stupid lists and timesheets. Heck, I don't even know how to explain it to you. I just CANNOT do things the way you do - one thing at a time, with absolutely no understanding of the real benefits you get for doing what you are doing IN THIS EXACT SECOND. I can't even understand it - can't you get it's not about the investment of time being short-term or long-term, but about profitability?
typical
Master Don Juan
Blah I Cant be stuffed.
diplomatic_lies
Master Don Juan
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Wasn't Richard Branson a bit of a "jerk"? Wasn't Jack Welch a jerk? In fact, wasn't Bill Gates a bit of a jerk when necessary? Let's not talk about Bill Clinton or George Bush.
The meek will never inherit the earth, because they're too damned meek.
The meek will never inherit the earth, because they're too damned meek.
spider_007
Master Don Juan
the guy has yat to figure out what: "just be your self" really means.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
shydude
Master Don Juan
Well!!! U need o be jerk when meeting women and atracting em!! being jerk and not having a good life doesnt make sense!! Doesnt matter if ur jerk, or a nice guy!! U still can do what everyone else does!! BEcome someone important!! See me, i am working to become an actor, i am a jerk when it comes to attracting girls!! But its not what inside of mee, i am a nice guy, but when it comes to partys, punks, girls and teen life. then i turn around and become something that I am not, but I am always thinking i am a jerk when i am one! And its really good to be a jerk// But when u in ur late 80's, i think u should stop being a jerk!!
KillaPetehog said:Women MARRY nice guys.
They prefer a nice guy to a playa...for a MARRIAGE.
but ONE playa sleeps with more women than all of the nice guys ever will.
Check out this stat that MM thought of:
If a playa goes out for four nights a week for four hours each night...
and makes three approaches per hour...
He has approached 12 women per night...
and about 48 women per week...
and 200 women per month....
and 2 thousand women in one year.
"Why should I settle for one cookie in the cookie jar, when I can have all the cookies?"
Of course they do! They start getting desperate around their 30s because they spent their 18-29 years f*cking around. I spoke to one woman who is 37, her husband is a f*cking nerd. he thinks he's all proud and smug he has a wife. I ask his wife how many LTR boyfriends did she have , she responded with 3. I then do the math in my head and multiple that by 5 cause she seems like an outgoing person and I determined she's probably f#cked 15 random guys. I then ask her husband at a different time how many LTR girlfriends he had. He said 2. I multiple by 2 since he seems like your average nice guy.
So here you have a b1tch whose presumably f*cked and chucked 15 guys and here's a nice dude whose got 4 b1tches. Women are pigs to the truest sense.
JHeights83rd
Don Juan
I want to give you some constructive criticsm By telling my experience
Ok. I want to help you because im younger than you and im fixing a similar situation to yours. Im from NY, and I have a learning disability in school. This means when everybody else takes a 2 hour test, I take a 5 hour test. 1 ½ hw for everybody else, 3 ½ hrs for me. So I was studying my azz off to get mid 80s average. My father came from Colombia, mother from Aruba, so they couldn’t pay for my school. I was bouncing between my parents and grandma’s house, during high school. Ive lived in queens, Bronx, Brooklyn, all in high school. I think I developed into a loser, the type of kid that gangs were looking to jump take my $. And b/c of where I lived, I did get jumped and slashed a few times. Because I was a loser, I didn’t have too many friends, people would keep their distance from me, some would play me. I was 3 season athlete in high school, and I worked at the same time. So, not only was I not having any fun, I was getting pissed on by other people in high school. So I had real low self esteem. How I got a sponsor to pay for me to go to college, it was a miracle. Summer after I graduated high school, 2 people straight up told me, that I came across like a guy who obviously gets no girls, and probably gets teased in high school.
So I decided to take a stand and change my outside (voice tone, body language, the way I dress) and I should change how I talk to people. I used to give out a lot of info about myself, that made me look like a loser, and I would not be able to talk about stuff that guys talk about. So I decided to learn NCAA sports, hip-hop clothes, rap, so that I could actually have stuff to talk about with guys.
Now, when I go back home, I have a lot of friends in different places, and I have friends in college. I started out college year 1st semester with no friends. In college I still have less time to chill. But some people that know me, know that ive had it harder than them, and I know this too. I used to just get jealous, but now I alienate myself from my negative past, being able to laugh at it, and twist it from, ‘wow my life really sucked, nobody else had to…’ into ‘wow, you say my childhood was hard, I had to do some robin hood ****, stealing from the rich, but I say all that made me rich with experiences and deep. I toughed out some of the worse parts of ‘the wild life’, that me that much more of a man.’
Ok. I want to help you because im younger than you and im fixing a similar situation to yours. Im from NY, and I have a learning disability in school. This means when everybody else takes a 2 hour test, I take a 5 hour test. 1 ½ hw for everybody else, 3 ½ hrs for me. So I was studying my azz off to get mid 80s average. My father came from Colombia, mother from Aruba, so they couldn’t pay for my school. I was bouncing between my parents and grandma’s house, during high school. Ive lived in queens, Bronx, Brooklyn, all in high school. I think I developed into a loser, the type of kid that gangs were looking to jump take my $. And b/c of where I lived, I did get jumped and slashed a few times. Because I was a loser, I didn’t have too many friends, people would keep their distance from me, some would play me. I was 3 season athlete in high school, and I worked at the same time. So, not only was I not having any fun, I was getting pissed on by other people in high school. So I had real low self esteem. How I got a sponsor to pay for me to go to college, it was a miracle. Summer after I graduated high school, 2 people straight up told me, that I came across like a guy who obviously gets no girls, and probably gets teased in high school.
So I decided to take a stand and change my outside (voice tone, body language, the way I dress) and I should change how I talk to people. I used to give out a lot of info about myself, that made me look like a loser, and I would not be able to talk about stuff that guys talk about. So I decided to learn NCAA sports, hip-hop clothes, rap, so that I could actually have stuff to talk about with guys.
Now, when I go back home, I have a lot of friends in different places, and I have friends in college. I started out college year 1st semester with no friends. In college I still have less time to chill. But some people that know me, know that ive had it harder than them, and I know this too. I used to just get jealous, but now I alienate myself from my negative past, being able to laugh at it, and twist it from, ‘wow my life really sucked, nobody else had to…’ into ‘wow, you say my childhood was hard, I had to do some robin hood ****, stealing from the rich, but I say all that made me rich with experiences and deep. I toughed out some of the worse parts of ‘the wild life’, that me that much more of a man.’
JHeights83rd
Don Juan
I want to give you some constructive criticsm By telling my experience
You don’t get any extra privileges for starting from lower except self love and knowledge. Its not your job to think your better than everybody else. Also back to that single mother, son mentality, **** doesn’t just come to you, you have to go get it. Also you can put out effort and don’t get **** in return, you have to know how to direct your effort. Effort with no direction is like getting in a car with no steering wheel. My fun didn’t just come, I had to change stuff I did. Women tend to look at life by what comes to them, men are supposed to look at life as what we go get.
You don’t get any extra privileges for starting from lower except self love and knowledge. Its not your job to think your better than everybody else. Also back to that single mother, son mentality, **** doesn’t just come to you, you have to go get it. Also you can put out effort and don’t get **** in return, you have to know how to direct your effort. Effort with no direction is like getting in a car with no steering wheel. My fun didn’t just come, I had to change stuff I did. Women tend to look at life by what comes to them, men are supposed to look at life as what we go get.
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
JHeights83rd
Don Juan
go out and get it, but lighten up.
Also, on being yourself, being yourself is doing what you know how to do, doing what you know how to do is what got conditioned into you. Your father was in the military, hes probably on the serious side, and he probably conditioned that into you. You can learn how to be other things. You have core personality traits but theres so much room to change how those traits are developed. If you don’t change, girls you talk to will probably be thinking like ‘wow, hes so uptight, he needs to lighten up’ women like playful. Being playful is something you haven’t learned probably, but you can start getting yourself to start throwing silly spontaneous ****.
About being nice or ‘good’ to women, there is a too nice. The nicer you are, the better… who the fvck said that?
Look, put yourself hypothetically in this situation. You meet a women, and you call her up for the 1st time, and she says on Saturday, shes moving things around the house, and doing house chores.
Would you agree to spend your whole Saturday helping her? This is a nice deed.
Would you do it for a guy, or an average looking girl you probably aren’t interested in that you just met?
If your answer is yes to both of them then you have no life and nothing better to do with your time. And when you meet a girl shes feel that youre really gonna get up her azz, and shell wanna get the f away from you.
If your answer is yes for the 1st question, and no to the 2nd, youre soft and you have no backbone, and youll do anything for a beautiful woman. After doing her that favor, youre gonna be expecting something, either reciprocity or some azz. If you answered no to both of them, or just the 1st, then youre good. You just have to know how to be confrontational if need be. When you use your backbone, you have to be not only defensive (saying no) you have to be as offensive as what she asked you to do. (you do this by questioning her who she thinks she is asking you to something like that, after that, shell mind her ps and qs and think twice b4 asking you do some ridiculous **** like that) You shouldn’t have to become a flat out jerk, just have to lighten up, joke around, and be fun. Don’t worry about being real formal and cordial.
Girls don’t just come to you, just like anything else in a man’s life, you have to meet them through friends or pull them from places. The problem with the nice guy is he comes across as too soft, too uptight and boring, and not interested in the women sexually. Jerks obviously have these qualities, that’s why they get girls. Aight so you gotta change your outlook on life and stop being the extreme narcissist.
Also, on being yourself, being yourself is doing what you know how to do, doing what you know how to do is what got conditioned into you. Your father was in the military, hes probably on the serious side, and he probably conditioned that into you. You can learn how to be other things. You have core personality traits but theres so much room to change how those traits are developed. If you don’t change, girls you talk to will probably be thinking like ‘wow, hes so uptight, he needs to lighten up’ women like playful. Being playful is something you haven’t learned probably, but you can start getting yourself to start throwing silly spontaneous ****.
About being nice or ‘good’ to women, there is a too nice. The nicer you are, the better… who the fvck said that?
Look, put yourself hypothetically in this situation. You meet a women, and you call her up for the 1st time, and she says on Saturday, shes moving things around the house, and doing house chores.
Would you agree to spend your whole Saturday helping her? This is a nice deed.
Would you do it for a guy, or an average looking girl you probably aren’t interested in that you just met?
If your answer is yes to both of them then you have no life and nothing better to do with your time. And when you meet a girl shes feel that youre really gonna get up her azz, and shell wanna get the f away from you.
If your answer is yes for the 1st question, and no to the 2nd, youre soft and you have no backbone, and youll do anything for a beautiful woman. After doing her that favor, youre gonna be expecting something, either reciprocity or some azz. If you answered no to both of them, or just the 1st, then youre good. You just have to know how to be confrontational if need be. When you use your backbone, you have to be not only defensive (saying no) you have to be as offensive as what she asked you to do. (you do this by questioning her who she thinks she is asking you to something like that, after that, shell mind her ps and qs and think twice b4 asking you do some ridiculous **** like that) You shouldn’t have to become a flat out jerk, just have to lighten up, joke around, and be fun. Don’t worry about being real formal and cordial.
Girls don’t just come to you, just like anything else in a man’s life, you have to meet them through friends or pull them from places. The problem with the nice guy is he comes across as too soft, too uptight and boring, and not interested in the women sexually. Jerks obviously have these qualities, that’s why they get girls. Aight so you gotta change your outlook on life and stop being the extreme narcissist.
JHeights83rd
Don Juan
Women like to marry Alpha males (not jerks)
also, women dont marry nice-guys. nice-guys are the guys that when they go out with a woman, they spend so much time trying to be cordial and making her think hes a really nice guy, at the end shell be like 'yeah he was a nice guy, but there was no chemistry, no connection.' In a relationship, the woman will know pretty fast that she can run tracks all over him and send him to Rite Aid to buy her feminine products. No women wants a man they can control. if you cant make it past the first date and relationship, you wont get to marriage. Some women marry nice-guys for financial reasons but then they really cant get sexually turned on by their man. And they end up having to fantacize about George Clooney or something.
also, women dont marry nice-guys. nice-guys are the guys that when they go out with a woman, they spend so much time trying to be cordial and making her think hes a really nice guy, at the end shell be like 'yeah he was a nice guy, but there was no chemistry, no connection.' In a relationship, the woman will know pretty fast that she can run tracks all over him and send him to Rite Aid to buy her feminine products. No women wants a man they can control. if you cant make it past the first date and relationship, you wont get to marriage. Some women marry nice-guys for financial reasons but then they really cant get sexually turned on by their man. And they end up having to fantacize about George Clooney or something.
insanity
Master Don Juan
no1 your post has conviction, but it's going to get raped by these ex nice guys.
alot of the members of the dj forum are here, because nice did not work.
i'm not saying you have to be a jerk, but it's all about balance.
be yourself is a crock of sh@t. being you is what got you to this forum.
if nice is who you are then so be it. some people don't like change and thats fine. but if you think being nice is going to get you a hot vixen, sadly it won't.
alot of the members of the dj forum are here, because nice did not work.
i'm not saying you have to be a jerk, but it's all about balance.
be yourself is a crock of sh@t. being you is what got you to this forum.
if nice is who you are then so be it. some people don't like change and thats fine. but if you think being nice is going to get you a hot vixen, sadly it won't.
insanity
Master Don Juan
women marry rich nice guys and when they get bored they leave them. women stay married to abusive,alcoholic,gambling,jerky men....why? because they can't change them.
JHeights83rd
Don Juan
women leave nice rich guys because they married them for their stability, not emotional reasons; she probably said after the 1st date 'ah ill learn to love him when were rich together'. Ive seen women with abusive alcoholic jerks, and stay with them for years because they have emotional attachment to him. But the average stable salary nice-guy, that they can control, women do not want this type of guy because they dont respect him. They may not have any other options.
I realize that my background is NY, where we meet alot of people over a period of time. Therefore, women have more options and they expect more. so most wont put up with a guy they dont respect. So im gonna try be more sensitive to you guys that live slower lifestyles where you dont come across new people as fast and therefore dont have as many options and they put up with what comes their way.
I have a 37 yr old friend, hes 6 figures, hes very charming, well dressed. So many women want this type of guy, and hes f ing around with being a sugar daddy married to his 36 yr old wife, then having chicks on the side. So not all financially well off men are tricks. Alot of them have game and charisma.
I realize that my background is NY, where we meet alot of people over a period of time. Therefore, women have more options and they expect more. so most wont put up with a guy they dont respect. So im gonna try be more sensitive to you guys that live slower lifestyles where you dont come across new people as fast and therefore dont have as many options and they put up with what comes their way.
I have a 37 yr old friend, hes 6 figures, hes very charming, well dressed. So many women want this type of guy, and hes f ing around with being a sugar daddy married to his 36 yr old wife, then having chicks on the side. So not all financially well off men are tricks. Alot of them have game and charisma.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
insanity
Master Don Juan
JHeights83rd, i see what your saying, that it all differs from the territory. marriage is really unstable right now. to most people, it's just a ring and a piece of paper. it's sad, but most weddings you go to nowadays have pools to see how long the couples last.
if you really think about it though. if money meant everything. why is it that rich people have the highest divorce rate and fast times of breaking it off. money must not bring happiness or they would stay together.
i look at some of the low income neighbourhoods and it seems most of the married couples stick together because they need each other. also it seems that the people who say so and so aren't going to last. seem to be the people who make it.
if you really think about it though. if money meant everything. why is it that rich people have the highest divorce rate and fast times of breaking it off. money must not bring happiness or they would stay together.
i look at some of the low income neighbourhoods and it seems most of the married couples stick together because they need each other. also it seems that the people who say so and so aren't going to last. seem to be the people who make it.