Nice Guy Finished First... (reverse field report)

[KontrollerX]

Yea yea, nice guys finish first, all the info on this board is BS, anyone who might discuss these sorts of topics online are losers.....

You have successfully dispelled all of the myths that are running rampant on sosuave. Your job is done, so go find another board to troll.

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Iqqi got served. :crackup:

 

[KarmaSutra]

I don't understand. I'm totally lost, I always thought you were a guy. You posting this from a women's forum?

Haha! Good golly Miss Molly . . .


:crazy:

 

[squirrels]

I love the way Iqqi's posts automatically get 3 pages of replies.

 

[mrRuckus]

So if i have social proof and game i can get laid.

Where have i read that before?

A. He doesn't lack women... which is a turn off. He actually has a "harem" (as me and friends who know him joke) of mostly ugly women.

I should keep a harem of ugly chicks so i can impress other girls? But they're SO ANNOYING and depressing. I'd rather have no girl friends.

(physically aka superficially).

Looks are important to my children's quality of life. I would be doing future generations a disservice by mating with an ugly woman. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I was turned on by his good deeds. He did some pretty AFC things (according to the definition here on this forum), and it landed me in his bed,...

He has helped me out a lot after I ended my LTR, by helping me move out (and about, as I moved around a bit right after that), helping me get a job (didn't need one, but all of a sudden had too much time on my hands), and other random niceties, such as just getting me out of the house when I needed to get some air.

Last night, I needed a ride somewhere because my car wouldn't start. I was supposed to meet some friends at... well, a big party... and it was in a town 30 minutes away. Nice Guy lives there. So I thought, what the hell, lets see what Nice Guy is doing. If he comes with me, I can introduce him to all these chicks I am about to meet up with.

Essentially what you're saying here is that you had sex with a guy from the standpoint of debt appreciation. The intimacy here wasn't bourne from genuine passionate, desire, but out of a due of obligation. The real issue isn't whether or not he was physically attractive, but rather the reasons you had sex with him. Be careful what you crow about in this regard because from my point of view your behavior and rationales for it make you little better that a prostitute - you're simply repaying services rendered with your own services.

By your own admission you found him physcally unattractive ("ugly", your word) yet engaged in sex with him, why? You see, the issue isn't about questoning the tenets of DJisms or definitions of what makes a nice guy a "Nice Guy" as you'd have us all distracted by, it's really about your own reasonings for behaving as YOU did, not what he did. The real issue is how many guys you've ƒucked based purely on physical attraction. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume it's more than one "ugly" guy. As I've said in a hundred other threads, a woman is going to ƒuck someone - it may not be you, it may not be me, but she WILL ƒuck someone. Nice Guys, AFCs, Symps, etc. all have the capacity to get laid - they just have to be the right guy at the right time under the right circumstances. All you've done in this instance is the disservice of rewarding Cap'n Save-A-Ho for his savior schema and reinforced it for him so he'll think other women will act in kind in the future. He's exactly the type of guy who'll post on SoSuave 2 months from now with another "MIxed Messages" thread about how he went to this party with a girl he was "working on" and got laid only to have her blow him off later.

 

[DavenJuan]

yeah.. what RT said.

simply gettin glaid doesnt mean he 'finished first" for being a nice guy. You are simply taking ONE incident and claiming victory to this (assumed) AFC.

Remember Iq, being a DJ is a mindset, and everyone will get laid, or atleast has potential too. getting laid simply for his generous antics however are a bit disturbing in regards to your reasons for doing it.

At the end of the day, this guy still loses. He got laid...that isnt the GOAL on this forum. hell, i have had crazy stories about women prior to coming to this board, and believe me, i was a complete AFC experiencing some wild stuff.

However, i think the biggest thing to take away is what RT just mentioned. some food for thought iq

 

[DJDamage]

The only valuable lesson to be learned for this thread is:

APPROACH, APPROACH, APPROACH! - The more you approach the more you increase the chances of getting laid. Sometimes it will be a bullseye on the first try sometimes it could take up to 10 or more. When you got game, the odds will increase and you can afford to approach less and approach better looking women.

As for acting like an AFC and being ugly, well it looks like he played the odds and won that night. If he wasn't acting AFC and was semi-attractive, you wouldn't be going on a forum telling how ugly or AFC he was but rather excitedly waiting for the next time you were going to polish his knob. Your example and advice is counterproductive to this forum and it basically tells guys who have been failing with women to continue being themselves. Unfortunately being themsleves is what made those guys want to come to this forum to find the right answers and become better then they were.

 

[DJDamage]

Reminds me of the scene from the movie Knocked up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWtBMn9VWUM

 

[STR8UP]

And the award for BEST CLINICAL ANALYSIS once again goes to our very own Rollo Tomassi!

Essentially what you're saying here is that you had sex with a guy from the standpoint of debt appreciation.

Hence, the sex probably sucked according to your theory that anything other than "primal" attraction will result in less than stellar sex?

Haha....I can imagine a chick banging a guy she flat out says is "ugly".

Then again if I were banging an ugly chick I would probably just close my eyes, pretend she was Jenna Jameson, and nail her like a porn star. In my experience women tend enjoy that kind of fukking so she just might like it.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

The quality of a sexual experience is always going to be subjective. Like most guys, I too have knocked it out with the ubiquitous fat chick in my time. I was stoned, horny, and she was sexually aggressive (meaning she woke me up with a hummer before she begged me to ƒuck her in the middle of the night). This brings up an interesting point though; I never would've pursued, nor given a forethought to gaming a fat chick (and by fat I mean "chubby" not grossly obese), but the sex was memorable. In a similar respect to older women, fat women "try harder", not necessarily because they're more sexual than fit women, but because they have fewer opportunities to prove their sexual merit to a man in an effort to secure a long term security. I should also add that in my sexual past I have turned down a great many more women who I didn't find physically attractive as well. My tapping the thicky was entirely circumstantial - it was available, I was intoxicated, and she was insistant. Under other conditions I'd turned down sex with similar women.

I have no doubt IQQI will retort by saying how great the sex was because now it's a point of pride, but comparitively speaking, sex that results from prompted desire (i.e. physical arousal) rather than concern for obligation is going to be a better experience.

 

[Tazman]

Nice Guys, AFCs, Symps, etc. all have the capacity to get laid

I got laid (penetration) for the first time in my late twenties with what I believe to be zero game, I simply accepted my flaws (percieved) and went for it, not that it wasn't enjoyable, but I was disappointed in how much I built it up in my mind only to find out it the act is pretty fleeting.

So the point I have hoped to get across, is that not only is Nice Guy a nice guy, but he is also pretty damned unattractive (physically aka superficially).

Granted, I've been with a chick I didn't find all that great looks-wise, but I'll be damned if I subject myself to someone who fits the bill of the guy you described. I'll admit, you're a soldier in that respect, you could do very well in the porn industry.

 

[iqqi]

Wow, some of you guys are a lost cause. No need to quote anyone's flawed thinking in particular, because it seems so far fetched, and everyone seems to be clinging to the analysis that it was a pity fvck, and that I wasn't attracted to him.

This is a strange conclusion for you all to come to, as I have stated more than once that I AM attracted to him, and HAVE BEEN for some time.

The fact that he is ugly is like this huge hurdle none of you can get past! Its like you just CAN'T believe that an ugly guy would be desired. The reason I shared this with you all was with hope that maybe a real solid concrete experience would shed some light on the whole "how much do looks matter" bs threads that have been weighing sosuave down lately.

I did not sleep with him because I felt like I owed him anything. I never felt that way, not even one little tiny bit. I slept with him (repeating myself here again) because I LIKE him. I DESIRED him. I HAVE DESIRED and FOUND HIM SEXY for some time now. Part of this DESIRE comes from the fact he is GENUINE and NICE. Which I found REFRESHING and ATTRACTIVE. I was TURNED ON BIG TIME.

I mean, WTF??? How many times do I have to say one thing one way, and it still manages to get twisted into something else entirely, just to serve your purposes in trying to serve up some lame a$$ excuses as to why maybe YOU aren't getting laid.

I slept with someone I respect and was attracted to. Who I have stated over and over on this thread, that I find extremely sexy. This makes me a prostitute, once I throw in the fact that he happens to be ugly, and that part of the reason I am attracted to him is because of his nice disposition.

Your porn and prostitute insults are petty. I think a whole lot less of anyone who delivered them, especially when everything I have written here was clear enough to understand WHY I chose to sleep with him, and why I chose him, period.

Good luck to you all. I know I am getting some. And so is some ugly nice guy. Own that, fvcktards.

 

[iqqi]

I should keep a harem of ugly chicks so i can impress other girls? But they're SO ANNOYING and depressing. I'd rather have no girl friends.

The saddest most pathetic part about your reply, is that in my quote you used, you can see right above your stupid retort, that I said this part about him was a TURN OFF. Lol! I can't take any of you dumbies seriously! Next time do what other people do, and either fine comb what quote you use, or EDIT it to fit your purpose.

 

[punchitchewy]

I heart c0ck.
Discuss, b1tches.

umm...+1

 

[iqqi]

^^^ That is kind of funny. But I bet that is how some people chose to read it. That is a good indicator of how you "hear" women. Your version is a different version all together of mine, though. A good SNL skit version, I give you credit for that!

 

[Tazman]

The reason I shared this with you all was with hope that maybe a real solid concrete experience would shed some light on the whole "how much do looks matter" bs threads that have been weighing sosuave down lately.

This is only "concrete" in your reality. We have no idea what you or this guy looks like, any sane person is going to be sceptical. I'm not even debating that this happened the way you described it, but you still aren't getting it.

As I've said in a hundred other threads, a woman is going to ƒuck someone - it may not be you, it may not be me, but she WILL ƒuck someone. Nice Guys, AFCs, Symps, etc. all have the capacity to get laid - they just have to be the right guy at the right time under the right circumstances.

I hate to keep quoting RT like I'm on his nuts, but the guy is really smart and can articulate points that a lot of guys here agree with and are very relevant.

Women (generally) just aren't interested in ultimate truth, it does absolutely nothing for them, that's why it seems damn near impossible to have a good discussion with them.

You keep repeating the same things over and over again as if we didn't understand your meaning the first time. Your reasoning is still very much what is called "chick logic". You aren't trying to read and understand opposing views, you just want to be right.

I'm dying (not really, lol, but it would be interesting) to see a woman on this forum post something of real substance that actually stimulates and/or challenges the way we think.

Good luck to you all. I know I am getting some. And so is some ugly nice guy. Own that, fvcktards.

It seems to be a regular theme of yours (you aren't alone in this actually, lol) to accuse any guy who disagrees with you of not having sex, who here that has responded to you is complaining about not having sex?

 

[iqqi]

This is only "concrete" in your reality. We have no idea what you or this guy looks like, any sane person is going to be sceptical. I'm not even debating that this happened the way you described it, but you still aren't getting it.

Believe it or not, not every sane person would be skeptical. Many sane people realize already that what I have described happens all the time. Ugly guys are hooking up with hot chicks. It is happening every day, and even in your own home town.

Now if your sole reason for disagreement is because you doubt that I am attractive, or that the guy is ugly, well why are you even contributing to the thread? LOL! This is an internet forum, everyone posting on here is pretty much going off of what people say. I could understand if this was match.com, and pics were pretty mandatory. If for some reason you think it is so far fetched that I am not some ugly warpig, lol, don't bother to respond! I have described what I look like...

Anyways. What I look like doesn't really even matter, honestly. It is annoying to have to validate everything that comes out of my mouth with some HB bs rating. If you can't understand the points I make for what they are, then that is on you.

I am not insulted, as luckily I live in the real world, and I prefer to be acknowledged as hot in that world than this one. I mean, I know already that 90% of any response to what I write HERE is going to be flames and trolls, 5% is going to be slightly tainted bitter men, and maybe 5% will be men who aren't afraid to say they agree with something I've said.

I hate to keep quoting RT like I'm on his nuts, but the guy is really smart and can articulate points that a lot of guys here agree with and are very relevant.

He is very articulate I agree, but I think he is not always on point is his thinking. Just because you can argue a point really well does not make you right.

Women (generally) just aren't interested in ultimate truth, it does absolutely nothing for them, that's why it seems damn near impossible to have a good discussion with them.

Lol, what is the ultimate truth? I think what I keep repeating is the ultimate truth of the matter. For some reason people just don't want to agree! Why? I don't know. In the real world, this is common sense. Ugly guys get laid. Looks aren't that important. "Game" or sexuality is more important than looks.

You keep repeating the same things over and over again as if we didn't understand your meaning the first time. Your reasoning is still very much what is called "chick logic". You aren't trying to read and understand opposing views, you just want to be right.

I have absolutely no problem understanding your opposing views that 1. I am a prostitute who should join the porn industry because 2. I slept with some dude as repayment for his good deeds that 3. He was using to try and sleep with me the whole time and 4. A bunch of other made up facts some of you threw in. Oh yeah, and 5. I might actually be ugly, and he is probaly not ugly. ???

None of those things are the "ultimate truth". I said pretty clearly what happened, and everything was twisted to fit your views. The twisted version is not what I said.

I'm dying (not really, lol, but it would be interesting) to see a woman on this forum post something of real substance that actually stimulates and/or challenges the way we think.

The only times I see a woman post something that gets any kind of raves, is when she is posting something you ALREADY believe, and it is usually supplicating to the more bitter viewpoints on this forum.

A woman will say "yes, all women are evil", and the men will throw their hands in the air and rejoice, and say "yes finally! A woman who is WISE!"

So you are right. That will never be me. I believe that there are good men and good women, with good morals and good intents, out there. And that most bad relationships come from picking the wrong people for the wrong reasons. Which a lot has to do with the way one sees things.

It seems to be a regular theme of yours (you aren't alone in this actually, lol) to accuse any guy who disagrees with you of not having sex, who here that has responded to you is complaining about not having sex?

Actually I know for a fact that a lot of the men on here are NOT having a lot of sex, if any at all. I don't assume or accuse anyone of this, it is usually stated by them.

The point is, stop being hung up on something you can't change, and be confident in the things you have going for you. Women will notice.

 

[punchitchewy]

^^^ That is kind of funny. Your version is a different version all together of mine, though.

Ya no **** sherlock. I like that you can take a joke though, I find that sexy. Give me your number and we'll hook up sometime.

 

[iqqi]

Ya, no **** sherlock. I like that you can take a joke, though. I find that sexy. We should hook up sometime, what's your number?

212-479-7990. Call me now. I have to tell you something interesting...

 

[wjh]

Actually Iqqi i dont dislike you, or hate you, if anything your simply normal and average.

And that is exactly why her presence on here annoys me.

She ****ed an ugly nice guy who may have been an AFC. Big woop.

Dog bites man but sometimes man bites dog.

The exception doesn't prove the rule.

Blah blah balh, it's just so typical.

iqqi's entitlement attitude is also terribly unattractive to me personally.