Nexted another chick who wouldn't put out on the first date

[Zarky]

I'm just curious, what does self-respect have to do with having sex with a man quickly?

Is there a nexus there? Or is that the frame that you've bought into?

As I've begun to spin more and more plates, I've been realizing that it's possible to really flip the frame. I mean really flip it. That's what pimps and gigolos do.. they get women to pay them to f*ck them. That's really flipping the frame.

Why do we assume that "quality" women don't put out quickly? To me, if you have a strong enough frame and are able to impose it, the highest quality chick, with huge self-esteem, will be blowing you on the first date.

I don't think any guy here has a strong enough frame to get 10s to blow him on the first date with any regularity, but I do think it's possible.

 

[d!ckmojo]

Instead of being all passive about it and waiting to tell her my OWN "rule" when I got home, I should have said it right there and then.

HER: I have a personal rule that I don't sleep with men on the first date.
ME: That's interesting, I have a personal rule that I don't go out with a girl a second time unless there's hot sex the first time.

Then she has had the opportunity to re-asses her "rule" right there. It wouldn't have been a "next" so much as "upping the ante."

Yeah, the direct, alpha response is just to dismiss her frame ("I don't sleep with men on the first date") and assert your frame ("All the women I date sleep with me on the first date, else there is no second date").

Frame control is the name of the game, as the dominant party in the interaction, you've got to control the context of everything that occurs.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Yeah, the direct, alpha response is just to dismiss her frame ("I don't sleep with men on the first date") and assert your frame ("All the women I date sleep with me on the first date, else there is no second date").

Frame control is the name of the game, as the dominant party in the interaction, you've got to control the context of everything that occurs.

Wow! So impressive!!!! Dominant, prepubescent whiny emo frame of "WAAAAHHH she won't have sex with me on the first date! WAAHHH"

You're both morons. :crackup:

 

[Desdinova]

Rollo's input on this thread has made it a lot more interesting.

I'm going to tell you right now that I've NEVER had a date with a woman who pulled a "Filibuster" on me. I went and looked at that post on Rollo's blog...

Women with a high interest level wont confuse you, but if she’s not thoroughly convinced of your status a woman will generally default to some form of filibuster.

In other words, the woman did not have a very high IL in Zarky.

Girls don’t talk about the sex that they’re going to have – they talk about the sex they’re not going to have.

The sex talk has to be in a certain context in order to judge its meaning. If she's just talking about sex, then you're just some friend she's discussing the subject about. However, if she's talking about or hinting at sex with you, then her imagination is functioning and she's creating fantasies in her mind.

The woman in question was NOT talking about sex with Zarky, she was talking about sex in general. In other words, we know that her IL wasn't very high. My biggest question now is why wasn't Zarky elevating her IL? Is it because he isn't good at elevating IL? Is it because he was giving off an auora that reeked of sexual desperation? Is it possible that the woman just needed a bit more time due to residual emotions resulting from her last bf?

I'm a firm believer that if you can get to the first date with a woman, you can get her into the bedroom quite quickly, although some women may need a bit more time. I find that elevating the IL to the point where the girl wants to fvck, and then making her wait one more date for it helps put the sexual control into your hands. When you send the message that you don't need it, it makes the girl desperately want it.

 

[Solomon]

I'm just curious, what does self-respect have to do with having sex with a man quickly?

Women aren't wired to just have sex with random guys that fast, and if they do it makes it harder for them to "Pair bond" this is all basic stuff. You read Heartise's blog right? so it's nothing new I'm saying

Is there a nexus there? Or is that the frame that you've bought into?

Once again a woman whose been cackdown has Pairbonding issues as well as daddy issue and other baggae issues. Their not women I wanna be with long term. Ill bust gallons of nuts in them but I can't take them serious. Unlike most guys here I like sluts for whom they are and treat them accorindgly

As I've begun to spin more and more plates, I've been realizing that it's possible to really flip the frame. I mean really flip it. That's what pimps and gigolos do.. they get women to pay them to f*ck them. That's really flipping the frame.

Why do we assume that "quality" women don't put out quickly? To me, if you have a strong enough frame and are able to impose it, the highest quality chick, with huge self-esteem, will be blowing you on the first date.

I don't think any guy here has a strong enough frame to get 10s to blow him on the first date with any regularity, but I do think it's possible.

Re-reading your thread, I think your mindset is great but your execution sucked in that situation. I think when your dealing with online slores, no point beating around the bush 90% of them are *****s who will let you bust gallons of nuts inside their throats or vaginas. So I think your mindset was/is right in terms of quickly escalating(that's my game)

On another note with HB10's and "quality" women it's all about Being Higher value. If a woman thinks your High value enough she will be slutty enough, this is true for most women (there are exceptions, and I've met them women with a higher sense of self i.e. spiritual). This is why I laugh at the whole "Alpha Brigade" because to get these type of women you have to be the real deal. I know a guy whose a club owner, and he gets hot model girls to suck his cawk while he's doing coke lines of their breasts, while he's doing that, your favorite "Alpha Pua/Gamer" is running around the club getting blown out, left and right.

 

[Zarky]

I agree about the IL being too low. Or she may have sensed some sort of betaness in there and wanted to see how much she could milk it.

But no matter. Had a first date with a new chick, 7 face 5 body, last night. Yet another overall online 6. We met up at a bar, had two drinks, went back to her place and banged it out all night. This chick was definitely DTF, did a little gypsy dance in a gypsy outfit for me, banged her on the couch, then her bed, then came back out onto the couch and listened to some music, banged it out again and then back into the bed. Spent the night and she made me an omelette in the morning. Slept like sh*t though and I have to take a nap because I'll be dropping acid with a 1-month girl later today. Gonna be a strange weekend.

This one I did screen better than the previous one, though. I really have to interrogate them to see if they put out on the first date. I practically have to explicitly ask them this these days.

This brings my total banged to approx 34. I'm trying to get my "40 by 40" badge so I have 3 years to get 6 more. I have 5 this year alone so it shouldn't be too bad.

 

[Gray The Prince]

I understand that OP doesn't waste his time wasted but at the same time, it's obvious he's a control freak.