Newbie mission for kino-phobics - ideas?

[Luke Skywalker]

Ok, let's have some ideas for a new Newbie mission for kino-phobes.

Need ideas to incorporate to future bootcamps. This would likely be after the 'saying 'hi' to girls randomly' sort of thing.

First idea: Tyler Durden - bump into people accidentally, touch them accidentally in public.

First crazy idea on subject.

Anyone else have a creative idea for kino-phobes to get over touch phobias?

 

[reallyfreakinlost]

that idea is really weird.

What I usually do is I have a good conversation going with a girl, and if she's wearing a ring, I say wow nice ring, I go and rub it, and since my hand is over there, I touch her hand in a playful way. I've never gotten sued for this. But if you're really that scared of getting sued, just never talk to girls for god's sake

 

[rocky_mtn]

+ 1 on this being a creepy and bad idea

my post from the thread that inspired this thread

No, NO and No.

don't randomly touch women, that is creepy. Just like you can't have an orchestra with just an oboe, you can't build a house with just caulk, you can't seduce women with just kino. Its just one instrument or tool used in an overall process.

Luke, you seem to take aspects of the PUA and twist them into something that is creepy.

Kino will not get you in trouble. You wouldn't just go up to a random stranger and shake their hand, and that's it. You don't go up to someone and just touch them. Its part of a bond of becoming familiar with someone and getting comfortable with them

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I'm not scared of getting sued because I have no assets. I'm scared of getting charged though which is a different concept.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

that idea is really weird.

What I usually do is I have a good conversation going with a girl, and if she's wearing a ring, I say wow nice ring, I go and rub it, and since my hand is over there, I touch her hand in a playful way. I've never gotten sued for this. But if you're really that scared of getting sued, just never talk to girls for god's sake

Good idea - the ring part. Do you just grab her hand, or do yo ask her to touch the ring, or what do you do?

 

[reallyfreakinlost]

Ok, if you want some "exercises", you sound like you're afraid of the "getting charged" part, not really the touching process.

clearly your fear of this is PROOF that the feminist agenda is working beautifully.

I got over this fear after I gave a girl a massage, she moaned like crazy.

 

[rocky_mtn]

I'm not scared of getting sued because I have no assets. I'm scared of getting charged though which is a different concept.

you are scared of touching a woman on the shoulder when you talk to her.

that won't get you sued or arrested or charged, you are just patting someone on the back, its not like you're st!cking your c0ck in her mouth

stop making this something it's not. you're just totally missing the principle of kino

 

[Luke Skywalker]

The point of Newbie missions/bootcamps in general is confronting fears.

(Ie. saying 'hi' to random strangers is building rejection tolerance -
starting convo with random strangers is building rejection tolerance -

So, how does kino go in the context of a bootcamp or mission -- what exercises could be done to get over a kino-phobia?

 

[reallyfreakinlost]

Actually he does have good reason to be afraid, many many women in the workforce threaten their bosses with harassment cases if they don't give them higher positions in the company

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I got over this fear after I gave a girl a massage, she moaned like crazy.

Did you ask her prior to giving her a massage, or you just did it? Was it a random girl or someone you knew?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Kino exercise brainstorm:

Touching someone on the shoulder -- then saying 'hi' to them, asking for time, or some other BS.

(i.e. in gym, someone is wearing eye-pods, touch them, then wave at them)

Actually his can help with approach, because you automatically get attention if you touch.

- Ring exercise - good approach exercise on bootcamp/mission and gives an excuse to touch hand.

*******

Aside:

- Escalating touch to female friends -- try one tier further than where you touched the last time, etc....

- Make ho say no - go as far as you can go with touch before she resists.

 

[reallyfreakinlost]

Did you ask her prior to giving her a massage, or you just did it? Was it a random girl or someone you knew?

Believe this or not, but more and more every day I think I am maybe around 30% psychic. From what people say, their facial expressions, the whole vibe and feeling I get, 30% of the time I can tell what's on their mind. Maybe this has nothing to do with psychic ability and I'm just a good reader of people, who knows. I did take a couple years of psychology.

What happened in my situation was the girl kept saying how her shoulders and back, especially, ached, and I was so turned on at the time I jumped right on her. Luckily she didn't mind, but looking back, that wasn't such a good idea.

 

[reallyfreakinlost]

By the way, I forgot to answer your question, yes she and I did know eachother. She just got off work that day after cutting hair for 8 hours. I think ANYBODY who just did that deserves a massage.

 

[rocky_mtn]

The point of Newbie missions/bootcamps in general is confronting fears.

(Ie. saying 'hi' to random strangers is building rejection tolerance -
starting convo with random strangers is building rejection tolerance -

So, how does kino go in the context of a bootcamp or mission -- what exercises could be done to get over a kino-phobia?

When you see one of your female friends, hug her when you greet her. Then hug her when you say goodbye.

Don't use kino at work, its inappropriate and could get you into trouble.

But when you meet some one, either at work or personal, shake their hand and with your left hand give them a pat on their right arm.

When with a girl, put your hand in the center of her back, if she freezes up, remove hand, if she warms up rub your hand gently.

Hold the girls hand when you are walking, I know the BC recommends against this, but you gotta start some where.

When you are on a date and a girl says something funny, give her a little slap on her knee (assuming you are sitting next to her) s-l-o-w-l-y remove your hand from her knee and check her reaction.

When you meet a new date, hug her when you meet and depart.

When you're with a girl, say she looks tense and start rubbing her shoulders.

just some ideas.....

 

[Desdinova]

Kino exercise brainstorm:

Touching someone on the shoulder -- then saying 'hi' to them, asking for time, or some other BS.

This is a terrible idea. Develope some rapport before initiating kino or she's going to get "creeped out".

Kino isn't going to make your approaches easier, it's going to help you land a date easier.

 

[donjuanapprentice01]

Luke, I'm in the same boat as you, being a virgin and all. And, althought I'm not at the point yet, maybe it's time to look for a high class escort?

That way, you will be able to get close to a woman, touch, grope, etc... without any worry whatsoever. This will help you out in your bootcamps tremendously, as now you have the experience of being close and intimate with someone and you won't be as tense around girls. Just by reading your posts, I can see you are probably very tense around girls, and this won't help you at all.

Just a thought, like I said, I've contemplated it myself, but I am not there yet. But, I am 26 and you're 30, and if I was 30 and still carrying the V card, I'd definitely do a high class escort.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke, I'm in the same boat as you, being a virgin and all. And, althought I'm not at the point yet, maybe it's time to look for a high class escort?

That's wont help drive this "Newbie Mission" forward. It may also lead to a double-standard of interaction which is not helpful with real girls. It's already conceptually understood that consent is assumed with escort since it is on a paying basis, however, that doesn't drive anything forward in terms of a real girl. How do you assume consent with a real girl where no money is involved?
Do you go for an obvious 'yes' and look for IOI's and reciprocation, or do you make the ho say no. Those are the issues.

Anyway for a board devoted for 'game' improvement, I'd think the idea is conceptually anethema. There is no 'game' with an escort, just negotiating in the lowest common demominator.

That way, you will be able to get close to a woman, touch, grope, etc... without any worry whatsoever. This will help you out in your bootcamps tremendously, as now you have the experience of being close and intimate with someone and you won't be as tense around girls. Just by reading your posts, I can see you are probably very tense around girls, and this won't help you at all.

Obviously you have never been to an escort yourself. I haven't heard any positive stuff of those who have been to escorts. What I do know is that there is no 'emotional bond', and it can lead to a double-standard of interaction. You just have a sub-class of woman you can feel comfortable with and pay for their company, while you are still left out with real woman which is the goal in the first place. I do not accept the idea of using an escort at this time, bring it up again in November.

Just a thought, like I said, I've contemplated it myself, but I am not there yet. But, I am 26 and you're 30, and if I was 30 and still carrying the V card, I'd definitely do a high class escort.

Come on, a Newbie mission that's premised on using an escort?

http://www.cuddleparty.com was also considered, but I dismissed the idea and there are also dance lessons that would also lead to a form of acceptable touch and more opportunities of real interactions, dance lessons were also dismissed. I've never been to a strip club either - but hey, I'd likely get some kino from stripper girls. Plus I already have some 'friends' in my life anyway.

There has got to be a way to practise this on real women without creeping them out or entailing a legal risk.

 

[Krang!]

- Make ho say no - go as far as you can go with touch before she resists.

I love u luke :flowers:

 

[reallyfreakinlost]

god, go to a fvcking dance or something, seriously... this is getting ridiculous

 

[Lucas718]

These are really becoming painful to read. Honestly, I'm feeling a little creeped out.

Luke, please find some activities to develop your social skills. Take that dance class you mentioned, join a club, go to speed dating, or just hang out with some guys who know what they are doing, do something that will get you out of the house and socializing with people. Start talking to people everywhere you go... guys, girls, old ladies, uglies, whatever. If you can't approach a HB7, then approach a 4 or 3 just to build up your conversation skills, and gradually work your way up until you are comfortable approaching attractive women. I think you'll find this will help you far more than walking around a mall staring at people. And for God's sake don't go around grabbing total strangers.